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Almostbq
RE: marathon time 9/25/2011 2:13PM - in reply to Kevin52Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Kevin52 wrote:

[quote]GaryB wrote:

Clarkston Kent is NOT Kip.


This is correct.

While I have never officially met CK, I know who he is and have seen him at many local races. He has been consistently involved in the local running scene.

By contrast Kip rarely runs the small local races in the last few years - likely about the time the cheating started.[/quote]

What were the circumstances of Kip being monitored up at the Maine marathon? Did an individual or a group of individuals from letsrun go to Maine and announce to Kip that they were going to be watching him (prompting his last minute switch and apparently legitimate completion of the half instead)?

Is Kip possibly running races under an alias now? He hasn't run anything as himself since Thunder Road marathon last December.
ouch1000
RE: marathon time 9/25/2011 11:11PM - in reply to Kevin52Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I'll also vouch for Clarkston Kent. I've never mit him, but I've exchanged numerous e-mails with him over the past year. I also know about the story being written, as I've been extensively interviewed by the writer. He was an excellent interviewer - very thorough, eminently fair and meticulous in how he constructed his understanding of the events in this saga.

It would be really nice if the writer could get Kip's own story from him in person, as this would allow him to defend himself. It would also make the story much, much more compelling however it comes out. But this won't happen until Kip gets brave and talks to the reporter in person. He really has nothing to lose in being interviewed, and everything to gain.

Hoping for the best...
Junk Master
RE: marathon time 9/26/2011 1:44AM - in reply to ouch1000Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
When is the story coming out then?
Clarkston Kent
Re: need a date 9/26/2011 8:11AM - in reply to Junk MasterReply | Return to Index | Report Post

Junk Master wrote:

When is the story coming out then?


Soon.
pretty saddddd
RE: need a date 9/26/2011 11:09AM - in reply to Clarkston KentReply | Return to Index | Report Post
I too am from Michigan. Watch him make money off cheating. Truly sad.
dd
RE: need a date 9/26/2011 12:55PM - in reply to Clarkston KentReply | Return to Index | Report Post

Clarkston Kent wrote:

[quote]Junk Master wrote:

When is the story coming out then?


Soon.[/quote]

Well, I'll read it with interest when/if it comes out- whatever "soon" means. I honestly wish you well on this, and think it will make for a fascinating read. Those that know you in person may know that you're the type who will certainly follow through, but for the rest of us you can't be surprised that there is a healthyamount of scepticism that this is going to lead to anything, since you're just another anonymous poster on a message board. I'm still guessing I'll never see this piece, but again, I'll be happy to be wrong.
road rashed
RE: need a date 9/26/2011 2:30PM - in reply to ddReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Bad news folks, Kip Litton is back on the Boston Entrants list
Clarkston Kent
RE: hang loose on publication 9/26/2011 2:59PM - in reply to ddReply | Return to Index | Report Post

dd wrote:

Well, I'll read it with interest when/if it comes out- whatever "soon" means. I honestly wish you well on this, and think it will make for a fascinating read. Those that know you in person may know that you're the type who will certainly follow through, but for the rest of us you can't be surprised that there is a healthy amount of scepticism that this is going to lead to anything, since you're just another anonymous poster on a message board. I'm still guessing I'll never see this piece, but again, I'll be happy to be wrong.


For the time being, I choose to remain pseudo-anonymous on this board. You are skeptical? Why? I've said nothing to make you feel that way. Anyway, it WILL be a fascinating read. Suspect I'll be woven into the story to a significant degree & you'll see it - I'll give fair notice of its publication.
InWyo
RE: hang loose on publication 9/26/2011 3:26PM - in reply to Clarkston KentReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Pleas let there be someone on this thread who's running Boston and can take this guy down. He is on the official entrants list:

http://www.baa.org/races/boston-marathon/participant-information/entrants.aspx
Kipplyton
RE: hang loose on publication 9/26/2011 3:49PM - in reply to InWyoReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Not necessarily a bad thing. I bet a lot of people will have their eyes out for him.

I wonder if the Kipster has any running friends? I am also from Michigan and live fairly close to his listed town. Kip is a punchline among the runners I know.
SOKLR
RE: hang loose on publication 9/26/2011 4:20PM - in reply to KipplytonReply | Return to Index | Report Post
ClarkstonKent is on facebook. I believe he is a member of the Study of KLitton Blog facebook group. I think he's known Kip since the beginning of the cheating because he's active in the local road race community where Kip lives. I've communicated with him via email. So bottom line is that he's real, and he's NOT Kip.
SOKLR
RE: hang loose on publication 9/26/2011 4:22PM - in reply to SOKLRReply | Return to Index | Report Post
2012 BOSTON MARATHON ENTRY LISTS


BIB WAVE/
CORRAL NAME AGE M/F CITY ST CTRY CTZ
Litton, Kip 50 M Davison MI USA USA
dd
RE: hang loose on publication 9/26/2011 4:25PM - in reply to Clarkston KentReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Why am I skeptical? You mean beyond the fact that you're a total unknown to me? I hardly think that's overly suspicious. Other reasons: the continued "coming soon, be patient" comments, the fact that you're reportedly holding up publishing to get his story (when most would give him a reasonable time, and then proceed), and that this whole issue is about cheating/misrepresentation. I guess I'd be shocked if people weren't skiptical- ang aain, you may very well be a completely honest guy, waiting to add the final detail to your story. But, until you deliver, I (and I suspect others) will be unconvinced.

On a related note- do you have any concerns that someone else has noticed this huge thread on a popular website, and is going to beat you to this? I write for a completely different audience (medical journals), and one of the things that is always a wild-card is that your study gets preempted by a similar one and makes your own report far less novel.
Junk Master
RE: hang loose on publication 9/26/2011 4:33PM - in reply to ddReply | Return to Index | Report Post
I just can't get over Kip running Boston. Ready the compression sock salvo.
CH
RE: marathon time 9/26/2011 4:40PM - in reply to ouch1000Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Clarkston Kent is not Kip. I've met CK once years ago at a local race (he wouldn't remember), and we have mutual friends (one of whom I worked with on the Kip Litton Marathon Prediction Contest...you can read about it in previous postings on this thread). While it may add a layer of crazy to an already unbelievable story, this is a non-issue.

I'm eager to read the full article, and trust that when it is published, it will be worth the wait.

On a side note, I'm not optimistic Kip will be running Boston in 2012. I suspect someone will notify the BAA about him, his questionable qualifying time, and they'll yank his spot. For now, they probably are preoccupied with the registration process, but once things settle down, they'll give it the attention it deserves.
Clarkston Kent
RE: hang loose on publication 9/26/2011 4:44PM - in reply to ddReply | Return to Index | Report Post

dd wrote:

Other reasons: the continued "coming soon, be patient" comments, the fact that you're reportedly holding up publishing to get his story (when most would give him a reasonable time, and then proceed), and that this whole issue is about cheating/misrepresentation. I guess I'd be shocked if people weren't skiptical- ang aain, you may very well be a completely honest guy, waiting to add the final detail to your story. But, until you deliver, I (and I suspect others) will be unconvinced.

On a related note- do you have any concerns that someone else has noticed this huge thread on a popular website, and is going to beat you to this? I write for a completely different audience (medical journals), and one of the things that is always a wild-card is that your study gets preempted by a similar one and makes your own report far less novel.


I'm not writing the story. Never said I was. Which segues nicely into your 2nd paragraph - it's being written by somebody else who has done their homework on the story. The homework is nearly complete.

Per Kip at Boston, somehow I don't see that happening. But that's just me.
Er...
RE: hang loose on publication 9/26/2011 4:49PM - in reply to ddReply | Return to Index | Report Post
I've read this entire thread and contributed occasionally and I too am skeptical of Clarkston Kent, for many of the same reasons dd listed below. I don't think CK and Kip are one and the same but I do think many of your posts are odd, CK. I think my skepticism is predicated more than anything on the anonymity and the constant requests for patience. Were you a reputable or established writer working on a legitimate piece for publication I would expect you to identify yourself and include a request for information or solid leads to help your story. I don't expect you to be able to name the intended place of publication necessarily, but unless what you're working on is less than what many of us are expecting, the anonymity and delays are red flags.


dd wrote:

Why am I skeptical? You mean beyond the fact that you're a total unknown to me? I hardly think that's overly suspicious. Other reasons: the continued "coming soon, be patient" comments, the fact that you're reportedly holding up publishing to get his story (when most would give him a reasonable time, and then proceed), and that this whole issue is about cheating/misrepresentation. I guess I'd be shocked if people weren't skiptical- ang aain, you may very well be a completely honest guy, waiting to add the final detail to your story. But, until you deliver, I (and I suspect others) will be unconvinced.

On a related note- do you have any concerns that someone else has noticed this huge thread on a popular website, and is going to beat you to this? I write for a completely different audience (medical journals), and one of the things that is always a wild-card is that your study gets preempted by a similar one and makes your own report far less novel.
me two
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/26/2011 5:06PM - in reply to Quite a storyReply | Return to Index | Report Post

Quite a story wrote:

As some of you already know, this story WILL still be written. Although late to the game, as a writer I was fascinated by all this. It seemed so obvious. As I pondered an angle, I researched and interviewed dozens of people. To my surprise, I discovered a shocking new side to this tale. My piece will appear, and now it will have a very interesting but unusual slant to it. Before then, I am very interested in any evidence on either side that readers would like to submit to me. One caveat- I will discard any that does not contain a name and contact info- it won't be published, but I must have it. If we haven't already communicated, submit you info to writestuffdavis@aol.com.


CK is not Kip. Two different people.

My question is this a legitimate request?? And if so, why the aol.com address and lack of identifying information of the author or publication? He's obviously already identified himself to Kip if he's requested interviews. Why the need for further secrecy?

If this was not the posted by the writer, then who was it?
misrememberes
RE: hang loose on publication 9/26/2011 7:01PM - in reply to Clarkston KentReply | Return to Index | Report Post
I must have misremembered, I thought CK was scotth and that he was writing this story for "Michigan Runner". But really, "Quite a story" is the author, and he is writing it for an as-of-yet unnamed Major Publication. Well, I for one, can't wait (but will).
Clarkston Kent
RE: hang loose on publication 9/26/2011 7:36PM - in reply to Er...Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Er... wrote:

I've read this entire thread and contributed occasionally and I too am skeptical of Clarkston Kent, for many of the same reasons dd listed below. I don't think CK and Kip are one and the same but I do think many of your posts are odd, CK. I think my skepticism is predicated more than anything on the anonymity and the constant requests for patience. Were you a reputable or established writer working on a legitimate piece for publication I would expect you to identify yourself and include a request for information or solid leads to help your story. I don't expect you to be able to name the intended place of publication necessarily, but unless what you're working on is less than what many of us are expecting, the anonymity and delays are red flags.




You were writing while I posted above you; I'm not the writer. As it's turned out, I've served as a main source for the story. We don't need leads - other than from anybody that knows Kip well. That's lacking. You can raise all the red flags you want - this story isn't predicated (nice use of term by you) on your timeline.
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