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| Kevin52 |
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What does a serial _ _ _ _ _ _ get out what they do? Answer: They get off on it. And sometimes they get off on leaving little clues behind as a puzzle. |
| One to the Lorax |
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| Call the police |
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$$$$$$$$$$ how much money could this cheat have generated for his 'charity'? I don't think there is any other plausible explanation. I don't know anybody who would be impressed by someone running a sub 3hr marathon. If i knew someone had run 50 marathons just under 3hr, i'd give him crap for being a soft c#*k and not aiming for a sub 2:50. Seriously 3hrs is close to 1min 20sec per km slower than the world record, 8sec per 100m slower. It's a good personal achievement for the average runner, but you'd never brag about such a mediocre performance, let alone 50 of them. |
| Vertigo |
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If you followed the whole thread, you would understand that this isn't about money. Which makes it all the more interesting, although deranged.
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| paulski66 |
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Well, let's not be too quick to say he wouldn't take credit for all of these races run under an alias. As I said over on the RWOL thread when the same questions was asked in regards to the WV race (running under David Kipley): it would be very easy, after the race, to contact the race director and claim that somehow his last name was left off of the race results. Perhaps this was a race he was particularly unfamiliar with, or perhaps he recognized the name of one of the runners and was afraid that someone might put two and two together at this race, so he decided to run it under an alias. It was a small race, which also might have spooked him; much harder to just blend in with fewer people. Either way, this way he runs the race, and if he gets away with it, contacts the RD two weeks later and says that he notices that there is an error in the posted results, and that his result was accidentally listed as David Kipley instead of David Kipley Litton. The RD, of course, would change the results, and he would have credit for his sub-3 in WV. |
| case sensitive |
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Correct. Athinks shows his results, he can have it changed to his name afer the fact. If he needs, he can show finish line photos as proof. Athlinks & Marathon guide does show his finish for races he wad dq'd in under regular and alternate names. Theres no shortage of ways around these things. |
| MC |
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Is it possible the WR he's secretly going for is to CHEAT at marathons in all 50 states??? My bf and I were joking about it yesterday but now the more I think about it the more I think maybe that's it--like some weird Ocean's 11 type goal. Maybe Kip's ultimate plan is to write a book exposing how races don't have enough security measures or something. It's been discussed that sub3 in every state has already been done, even by a master's runner, so he's not breaking any records there. But maybe that wasn't the record he was actually going for after all. Pretty sure cheating all all 50 states has never been done. |
| Flintstone |
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Someone should dig to see if he actually set up a 501(c)(3) for worldrecordrun. Hey, newspaper reporter, are you still reading this thread and want to run a quick lexis search? [/quote] Why don't YOU run 'a quick lexis search'? |
| Kip Limp'n |
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Is it possible the WR he's secretly going for is to CHEAT at marathons in all 50 states??? My bf and I were joking about it yesterday but now the more I think about it the more I think maybe that's it--like some weird Ocean's 11 type goal. Maybe Kip's ultimate plan is to write a book exposing how races don't have enough security measures or something. It's been discussed that sub3 in every state has already been done, even by a master's runner, so he's not breaking any records there. But maybe that wasn't the record he was actually going for after all. Pretty sure cheating all all 50 states has never been done.[/quote] Why not just create fake races for all 50 states, that would take a lotmless effort? |
| ferocious frank |
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You should meet some people in the real world. My non-running friends were astonished when I broke four hours. |
| MC |
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I thought that too, but he probably would've gotten caught a lot faster if all his races were fake. Since most of them are real races, it took 6 months for anyone to catch on to the West Wyoming thing. If he gets off on cheating maybe he is finding lots of different ways to cheat in different states...maybe a bike in one, a car in another, an accomplice, some fake names, a couple of fake races thrown in here and there. It's a sick idea to cheat in every state but it's unique and a lot of people would be intrigued enough to read a book or whatever. Other cheaters like the Catch Me If You Can guy have gotten a lot of fame and fortune out of it in the past. |
| Skuj |
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Forgive me for this, but can someone please summarize the last 60 pages? Thanks. |
| cheater cheater chicken dinner |
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1. This guy Kip has claimed to run a lot of sub-3:00 marathons. 2. He had a website where he raised money for charity, but it's shut down now. 3. Most of his race results are suspect. 3a. He always starts behind the main field. 3b. He seems to change outfits during races. 3c. He seldom has intermediate splits. 3d. He has less photos than anyone else on the course. 3e. He appears to be walking in several race photos, even in 17:00 5ks. 3f. He almost always obscures his number. 4. It's been revealed that he raced under fake names. 5. It's also been revealed that he made up several races. 6. The motive for the whole operation, especially with the closing of his website, is unclear. |
| Skuj |
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Thanks. |
| Autonomically cured data race |
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Uh, because a lot of the databases in question are subscription services that I don't have access to, but that newspaper reporter does? Thanks for playing, please insert 25c to continue. But many thanks to the other poster who posted the link to the charitable organization search. By name alone, I couldn't find anything relevant, but i just tried variants on world record run and litton. |
| 501c3 |
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I just searched under Davison, MI, and got a complete list of charities established there (leave the "name of charity" field blank). Didn't see anything relevent. If someone knows other towns in the area, it may be worth searching those as well. Is his dental practice in a different town? Clarkston might be worth trying too. |
| I'm not surprised by this |
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Even 22 mph is pretty damn fast. There's no reason to believe he accomplished this, if only because it's exceptionally easy to cheat in tri's and du's. I remember a couple years ago I lost a race by 7 seconds. The guy who actually won was pretty much 10-40 seconds in front of me at all times. We started in the same wave. When awards time came up, a chubby kid who was the same age as us went up and accepted the award for 1st place overall. He'd somehow swam 6 minutes slower than us, biked 15 minutes faster, and run 9 minutes slower, to finish 5 seconds ahead of the real 1st place guy. The kid thought nothing of it and accepted the award. Any RD with a brain should have spotted this, but they often have too much going on. The kid was shocked when we called him out on it after - "Yeah, but, the sheet and the RD said I won!?!" There's a number of reasons tris/dus are prime for cheating (or 'mistakes') 1. There's multiple waves. People starting in an early wave would have a faster swim or first run. This happens A LOT - usually by accident - people are dumbasses. 2. Bike courses are often either multiple loops or out and backs. Neither have timing mats - even in big time races. A lot of time you have someone do only one loop in a 40k - they come in with a 57 minute split or something believable - but then looking at their mountain bike and 90 minute 10k, it's obvious they did half the bike. 3. Run courses are almost always out and backs. Often smaller races have no timing mat. 4. People are dumbasses and don't keep track of their own splits, so when awards come around, they go up and accept an award for their age group, after "running" a 75 minute half marathon, and thinking nothing of it (either on purpose or cluelessly). |
| dukerdog |
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You left out that he has been DQed from several races. But otherwise, very good! |
| newspaper reporter |
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In my cursory search, there is no record/filing anywhere of a charity associated with Kip. Is anyone surprised by that? Think not. |
| haha YO |
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All, I am in need of some dental work so I have decided to trust my teeth to the Kipster. Hopefully the topic of running will come up and I can hear his take on training. I will report back after the visit. |
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