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| Runnurer |
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we do believe that kip is capable of running his gun times. Its the net times which are impossible. I think this is part of the answer. Kip can do a 20:xx 5k and he may be a 2:59 guy but not a 17:17 and 2:52 guy. He is greedy. |
| florida oldtimer |
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Kinda looks like Kip's brother (thinner face) |
| Sarvesh |
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Who are "we"? Most of us do not have reason to believe the notion that he is capable of running the gun times. As to the delayed start, the most likely scenario is that he can blend in better and nobody will notice him mixed in with several hundred or thousand hobby joggers. Then he can easily hop off the course (perhaps walk off), get in a bike or car and go to the next checkpoint, blend in again and repeat several times. |
| Kyp Lyttyn |
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I think that's going to be a 15K with the 1 under the mat, which would put it at 9.3 mi (I know you know that) which is in the 10 mi ball park that I remembered. As I said it's in a memorable part of the race, just after passing two bodies of water on either side. Then you pass underneath a raised scaffold stretched across the road with about three photographers on it snapping away as quickly as I've ever seen. Looking on google, the southern body of water is called fisk pond.. http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=113537758385219514988.00045d3acead71e833fc6 |
| m runner |
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15K, not 5k |
| Timmy Jenkins |
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A possibility: For the 17:17 chip time, 20:xx gun time, if he has an accomplice, he can run a normal race from the front, his accomplice takes the chip across the start three minutes late, meets him later on the course, he stops to tie his shoe, and attaches the chip. |
| Wilson R |
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Do you really think he could run a legit sub 3:00? I don't. His 1:28 half marathon in Maine when he knew people were onto his game says he is more 3:05-3:10 range. The photos of him walking in sweats make even that kind of time seem out of reach for him. |
| Study of K.Litton Running |
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| Study of K.Litton Running |
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15K, not 5k[/quote] thanks, just updated to 15K where along the course was Jim RHodes photo taken? |
| Study of K.Litton Running |
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maybe at one time or another he could. someone followed him at Maine for a 1:28 LEGIT, but yeah he's prob not even in sub 3 shape at this point. of course he turns 50 next yr so it's all downhill soon |
| AL SAL |
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In the early pictures his thumbs are straight up. Finish photos they are curled in a fist. Just like AL wants Dathan to do. It has to be two different people!! |
| Kyp Lyttyn |
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I checked the BAA's Racer's Record Book mailed to me after the 2010 race, and participants are only listed with a net time, which was used to determine the finishing order. I don't know where you could find the gun times. However, the delayed start strategy at Boston isn't as critical since a 3:00 marathoner is viewed as a non-competitive runner buried in the middle of the pack. There was no chance of Kip placing in his age group with a 2:5x time. Third place for 45-49 was 2:34. |
| KipInAHaystack |
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The 5k was discussed much earlier in the thread. Check out the course map. (here: http://www.baa.org/~/media/Files/BAA/Races/5K%20Map/BAA%205K%20Course%20Map.pdf) Cutting off a (potentially HUGE) chunk of the course seems most likely. I don't know where the barriers/crowds are on race day, but just visually from the map a person could cut out the entire first two miles if they wanted. Heck, if you just hung a quick right after the start and looped around Trinity church and the Public Library, you would only have to cover about a 1/4 mile TOTAL. Doesn't look like there are splits in the 5k. Like others are trying to point out, the delayed start would simply put him back in the crowd with the joggers, with less attention, more people/distractions. In the extreme example I just laid out, he would walk across the start, with the trail joggers/walkers, exit stage right, loop back around the Library, and then WAIT for probably 15+ minutes. When he rejoins at the end, he is slipping in with people that are running a 20:xx 5k. Remember, most of those people probably only have a small gun/chip differential, but Kip would have already banked a 3minute differential. There are many places on that course where you could cut off less. No need for an accomplice in that race. |
| Kyp Lyttyn |
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I'm not going to be as helpful with this picture. Given the rural feel of the setting, certainly it's before the turn onto Commonwealth Ave and even before crossing over Rt 128, which I believe is around the 16 mile mark. In other pictures showing metal crowd control fencing, they are errected starting around Boston College and remain in place all the way to the finish. There are maybe one or two other spots earlier on (i.e. Wellesley) with the same type of fencing, but the ones I've seen look like they're in the later part of the race. |
| KipInAHaystack |
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Oh yeah, I'm tired of looking through photos. For anyone continuing the lost & found search, pages 1-240 on the huge "ON-COURSE... male " section is done. Happy hunting. |
| Study of K.Litton Running |
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?hmm... |
| Study of K.Litton Running |
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The only pic I see him giving a thumbs up for is the Jim Rhodes one....the early on pics he's in all black and no thumbs up? |
| Study of K.Litton Running |
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Why would he change ballcaps? doesnt make any sense... Also, does he add in the blue bandana underneath the BAA cap? |
| KipInAHaystack |
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Has anyone contacted the Snickers Marathon/Endurance team (not sure the exact name) that sponsored Kip? I don't know if they still sponsor him or not, but I know they did at one time. |
| AL SAL |
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Every time he is in shorts, fist. Pants, thumbs up. |
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