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Flintstone
RE: Kip L 1/20/2011 8:45PM - in reply to Nice!!Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Nice!! wrote:

This adds some serious clarity to any future investigations of Kip & charity money.

Basically, they are saying they have received $0 pass-through from Kip.

So, if anyone gave money to Kip in the past for the "charity", we now know he kept it.

I would suggest any future article(s) about Kip include a note to the effect of "if you gave any money directly to Kip or "worldrecordrun" intended for the CF, please contact us..."


I'd think word of the story would reach everybody that might've given money directly to Kip and they would quiz him about where the money they gave him ended up.
Kevin52
RE: Kip L 1/20/2011 8:51PM - in reply to Nice!!Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Nice!! wrote:
This adds some serious clarity to any future investigations of Kip & charity money.

Basically, they are saying they have received $0 pass-through from Kip.

So, if anyone gave money to Kip in the past for the "charity", we now know he kept it.




Actually we know no such thing. You can't draw that conclusion from the CF statement.
case sensitive
RE: Kip L 1/20/2011 9:07PM - in reply to FlintstoneReply | Return to Index | Report Post

Flintstone wrote:

[quote]Flintstone wrote:

Why are you asking? Did you send a note in the space provided? I did. It was a note spelling out Kip's cheating ways.


Got a reply - it'll go a long way towards dispelling questions/concerns about Kip's charity drive.

'We appreciate your concern but please rest assured that the only web page that was available to accept donations to Kip Litton's fundraising belonged to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation. As such, any donations contributed in support of Mr Litton would have been received directly by the CF Foundation. To our knowledge, Mr Litton has not received any donations intended for the CF Foundation directly.[/quote]

I would hardly expect that these types of links on the CF foundation web site would be directing funds elsewhere. The CF foundation link itself wasn't anything I'd be concerned with, but the CF foundation should be aware of the types of efforts being undertaken within their promotions. They don't want a situation which might cause embarrassment.
kirkaz yo
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/20/2011 9:22PM - in reply to Great news folks!Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
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to cheat in a running race by cutting the course


My friend tried to run an 18 minute 5k. Well I thought he did it at first until I realized he decided to kip the course.
swedishbasteve
RE: Kip L 1/20/2011 9:25PM - in reply to case sensitiveReply | Return to Index | Report Post

case sensitive wrote:

[quote]Flintstone wrote:

[quote]Flintstone wrote:

Why are you asking? Did you send a note in the space provided? I did. It was a note spelling out Kip's cheating ways.


Got a reply - it'll go a long way towards dispelling questions/concerns about Kip's charity drive.

'We appreciate your concern but please rest assured that the only web page that was available to accept donations to Kip Litton's fundraising belonged to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation. As such, any donations contributed in support of Mr Litton would have been received directly by the CF Foundation. To our knowledge, Mr Litton has not received any donations intended for the CF Foundation directly.[/quote]

I would hardly expect that these types of links on the CF foundation web site would be directing funds elsewhere. The CF foundation link itself wasn't anything I'd be concerned with, but the CF foundation should be aware of the types of efforts being undertaken within their promotions. They don't want a situation which might cause embarrassment.[/quote]

Any possible improprieties invovling donations to the CF Foundation, should be handled by the CF Foundation and not us. If someone that "has" donated is questioning that donation, contact the CF Foundation. There is absolutely no proof that Skippy Flippy dipped into funds.
case sensitive
RE: Kip L 1/20/2011 9:32PM - in reply to swedishbasteveReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Wasn't really what I meant. CF foundation funds are CF foundation funds, Mr. Litton can't 'dip' into them, he simply wouldn't have access to them.

What I meant was, if he's not actually running those marathons (and I mean the entire race distances) then it makes the CF foundation look bad.
Study of K.Litton Running
RE: Kip L 1/20/2011 9:45PM - in reply to case sensitiveReply | Return to Index | Report Post
the question is what did worldrecordrun.com look like last summer? cant find any copies in Google cache. Did anyone take a screenshot of it?
swedishbasteve
RE: Kip L 1/20/2011 9:47PM - in reply to case sensitiveReply | Return to Index | Report Post

case sensitive wrote:

Wasn't really what I meant. CF foundation funds are CF foundation funds, Mr. Litton can't 'dip' into them, he simply wouldn't have access to them.

What I meant was, if he's not actually running those marathons (and I mean the entire race distances) then it makes the CF foundation look bad.


Sorry about that case. I just piggybacked off of the last post. You are very right. The implications of what Nice said are what I was replying to. This thread although great, should be limited to its original intent, outing a race cheat.
Nice!!
RE: Kip L 1/20/2011 11:11PM - in reply to Kevin52Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Kevin52 wrote:

Actually we know no such thing. You can't draw that conclusion from the CF statement.


What then, is your interpretation of "To our knowledge, Mr Litton has not received any donations intended for the CF Foundation directly."
Nice!!
RE: Kip L 1/20/2011 11:21PM - in reply to FlintstoneReply | Return to Index | Report Post

Flintstone wrote:

...'We appreciate your concern but please rest assured that the only web page that was available to accept donations to Kip Litton's fundraising belonged to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation. As such, any donations contributed in support of Mr Litton would have been received directly by the CF Foundation. ...


Maybe I'm not thinking about this correctly, but this email seems to be speaking of the "Kip Litton World Record Run" page on the Detroit CF website... linked to recently. (and, possibly other pages they had already taken down.)

I find it very, very difficult to believe that the www.WorldRecordRun.com website belonged to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation.

So, did the worldrecordrun.com website accept donations? If not, where did it direct donations? To CF or to worldrecordrun, etc.?

This message from CF does not clear up these questions in my mind. Maybe you guys can help me understand if I'm mistaken.
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RE: Kip L 1/20/2011 11:26PM - in reply to Nice!!Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
So, apparently I'm the only one who thinks there's something fishy in Flintsone's supposed quotation from the CF people?
Study of K.Litton Running
RE: Kip L 1/20/2011 11:36PM - in reply to Er...Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
When I read this, it suggests Kip had an independent fundraising vehicle on the worldRecordRun website. We can't tell because the worldrecordrun site has been offline since a bunch of guys (not sure who) but maybe Ouch/RaceDirector/ClarkstonKent, etc threatened to make more noise if he didnt take it down. I wish we could still see what was up there, but no record on Google Cache.




http://races2run.blogspot.com/2010/08/world-record-runkip-litton.html
"Kip is trying to raise money for CF....but who are checks written to? His website. I have a team of 3 runners who have researched this guy. ...."
Study of K.Litton Running
RE: Kip L 1/20/2011 11:39PM - in reply to Study of K.Litton RunningReply | Return to Index | Report Post
The CFF website is a user created site (so Kip probably created it) on the CFF site and if any $$$ went there, it would've gone to CFF. from that email it looks as though no money was donated there. wonder though if any money was donated to worldrecordrun though
Race detective
RE: Kip L 1/21/2011 12:14AM - in reply to Study of K.Litton RunningReply | Return to Index | Report Post

Study of K.Litton Running wrote:

...worldrecordrun site has been offline since a bunch of guys (not sure who) but maybe Ouch/RaceDirector/ClarkstonKent, etc threatened to make more noise if he didnt take it down.


It was Clarkston Kent. Ouch1000 mentions this in his long background post which you have copied on your website. Ouch wrote:

"no one did anything about it except Clarkston Kent. Having confronted him before, he confronted him again and asked him to take down his worldrecordrun.com website, which he did."

BTW: I think you meant me in your list above. I've never contacted Kip, nor Ouch or CK.
Study of K.Litton Running
RE: Kip L 1/21/2011 1:50AM - in reply to Race detectiveReply | Return to Index | Report Post
yeah you're right :)
wish there was a screenshot of worldrecordrun.com
dukerdog
RE: Kip L 1/21/2011 6:27AM - in reply to Nice!!Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Nice!! wrote:
What then, is your interpretation of "To our knowledge, Mr Litton has not received any donations intended for the CF Foundation directly."

That they have no knowledge of it. Someone could have written a check made out to Kip Litton, and then he could have turned around and written a check to CF for the same amount, and they would have no knowledge of what actually happened.

Study of Kip Litton wrote:
The CFF website is a user created site (so Kip probably created it) on the CFF site and if any $$$ went there, it would've gone to CFF. from that email it looks as though no money was donated there.

Where did you get that?

That statement is basically saying "We have no knowledge of any charity donation wrongdoing by Kip Litton." You guys should stop trying to read more into it than is there.

This is not a good direction for this thread to take.
Flintstone
RE: Kip L 1/21/2011 7:16AM - in reply to case sensitiveReply | Return to Index | Report Post

case sensitive wrote:

[quote]Flintstone wrote:

Got a reply - it'll go a long way towards dispelling questions/concerns about Kip's charity drive.

I would hardly expect that these types of links on the CF foundation web site would be directing funds elsewhere. The CF foundation link itself wasn't anything I'd be concerned with, but the CF foundation should be aware of the types of efforts being undertaken within their promotions. They don't want a situation which might cause embarrassment.


In reply, I suggested to the CF folks they distance themselves from Kip because he's been cheating in races - in the name of his fundraising effort. Haven't heard back on that one.

Whether any donations were given directly to Kip would be pure speculation. In the end, it may come out in the wash some monies were given him, but for now, no way to know.
Kyp Lyttyn
RE: Kip L 1/21/2011 7:57AM - in reply to dukerdogReply | Return to Index | Report Post

dukerdog wrote:

Nice!! wrote:
What then, is your interpretation of "To our knowledge, Mr Litton has not received any donations intended for the CF Foundation directly."

That statement is basically saying "We have no knowledge of any charity donation wrongdoing by Kip Litton." You guys should stop trying to read more into it than is there.



I think you're reading less into the statement than what CF wrote. Why is the word "directly" in the quote? CF is saying that they are unaware of anyone directing donations directly to WorldRecordRun or Kip. They believe that all donations were made directly to CF.

I am not drawing any conclusions. It may be that 1) nobody ever wrote Kip a check, or 2) that he cashed checks written to him then took the funds and donated them directly to CF without CF ever being aware of the initial checks, or 3) something else may have occurred.

At this point there's no evidence to support any of the three options; so they are all on the board as possibilities.
solved before dinnertime
RE: Kip L 1/21/2011 9:27AM - in reply to Kyp LyttynReply | Return to Index | Report Post
I think you guys are getting trolled.
Mr Oblivious
RE: Kip L 1/21/2011 9:57AM - in reply to solved before dinnertimeReply | Return to Index | Report Post

solved before dinnertime wrote:

I think you guys are getting trolled.


April Fools joke?
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