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dd
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/23/2011 1:17PM - in reply to hrunnerReply | Return to Index | Report Post
I have to agree. Clarkson Kent, I was looking forward to seeing this story in a "major running publication" that you kept hinting at with your "patience grasshopper" bit, but now this delaying the supposed story because of his "coy behavior" is starting to sound, well, kip-like. If you have a compelling story with facts, reliable accounts from others, etc, go with it. You can say you offered him a chance to respond, and he declined. You have no obligation to wait for him. I hope to be wrong, and see this saga laid out in print, but at this point I'm guessing it won't happen. I can't recall what kind of writer you said/implied you were, but the journalists I know don't sit on a story like this (or any story) for the better part of a year.
Not a Perry Mason
RE: Litton emerges! 9/23/2011 1:28PM - in reply to PeggedReply | Return to Index | Report Post
IF cheating occurs,
IF money is solicited and collected for charity,
is FRAUD commited?
is FRAUD a crime?
if so, who are the victims?
OR is it embezzlement?
is embezzlement a crime?
are the donors then victims?
but they gave willingly?

Can someone give the legal definition for fraud? and embezzlement?
Is a non-profit responsible for the actions of its fund raisers? Is the pink race group responsible for the runners raising money for a cure?
Is it fraud when the XC middle school runner keeps the cookie sales fund raising money? Or is that theft?
Fell Runner
RE: Litton emerges! 9/23/2011 2:53PM - in reply to Not a Perry MasonReply | Return to Index | Report Post
"Not a Perry Mason" certainly nails your deductive powers, what have you been smoking?
Precious Roy
RE: Litton emerges! 9/23/2011 3:02PM - in reply to Not a Perry MasonReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Not a Perry Mason wrote:

IF cheating occurs,
IF money is solicited and collected for charity,
is FRAUD commited?
is FRAUD a crime?
if so, who are the victims?
OR is it embezzlement?
is embezzlement a crime?
are the donors then victims?
but they gave willingly?

Can someone give the legal definition for fraud? and embezzlement?
Is a non-profit responsible for the actions of its fund raisers? Is the pink race group responsible for the runners raising money for a cure?
Is it fraud when the XC middle school runner keeps the cookie sales fund raising money? Or is that theft?


Both. Definitely fraud as to the donors and also theft, depending on Michigan's version of theft by deception. As for the non-profit, it is more than likely theft. Isn't likely to be embezzlement if the funds never made it to the charity.
the gecko
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/23/2011 3:15PM - in reply to ddReply | Return to Index | Report Post
dd wrote:

I have to agree. Clarkson Kent, I was looking forward to seeing this story in a "major running publication" that you kept hinting at with your "patience grasshopper" bit, but now this delaying the supposed story because of his "coy behavior" is starting to sound, well, kip-like. If you have a compelling story with facts, reliable accounts from others, etc, go with it. You can say you offered him a chance to respond, and he declined. You have no obligation to wait for him. I hope to be wrong, and see this saga laid out in print, but at this point I'm guessing it won't happen. I can't recall what kind of writer you said/implied you were, but the journalists I know don't sit on a story like this (or any story) for the better part of a year.


Agree wholeheartedly with this. People have been more than patient with the process, and Clarkston Kent. Why in the world would anybody delay a story like this because the subject is playing "coy". All that deserves is a line at the end of the article to the effect of "Mr. Litton did not return numerous calls and emails asking for an interview/comment" Done.

Sadly, our media is truly becoming a joke.
It says it all here
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/23/2011 3:42PM - in reply to the geckoReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Lets face it, not many people outside the running community care about this. Fortunately this forum has done a much better job of telling the story than some little article in a paper. We already won.
tricky tricky
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/23/2011 3:51PM - in reply to It says it all hereReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Stories like this can be tricky. There was one recently in my area paper that when after it was printed several people came forward that disclosed information that rendered huge errors in the story. Now there is a big ol law suit & someone's ass is going down.
me two
RE: Litton emerges! 9/23/2011 3:56PM - in reply to run and bike some moreReply | Return to Index | Report Post
run and bike some more wrote:

I just had an encounter with the Kipster! I was at our school track doing laps early yesterday morn. I got there just before sunrise to do some intervals. When I arrived there was already a guy doing what looked like the same. It was too dark at first to see details, but he was moving pretty good. I started doing my thing & as the guy passed me a couple times & it got lighter he looked familiar. Then it hit me- it was our Kippy! He was wearing a singlet I'd seen in a pic.

I immediately started timing his laps instead of mine without being obvious. He was doing 86-87 sec laps 4 in a row then a slow lap. I decided I would try to chat him up during the slow laps. I figured i'd use the honey instead of vinegar approach. I couldn't synch up at first but was able to at his finish cool down laps. After a bit of small talk, I asked what he was training for. He said "a marathon". I asked which one & he said "not sure yet". He was cordial but curt. I tried to bait him a bit- when I said my buddy was trying to lay down a 2:45 at Chicago, he finally turned to me & said "really? so am I", almost like I caught him off guard. Soon after he stopped & left.

He's not reg at Chicago so he must have meant 2:45 at a diff locale. I don't know if he was F'n with me- I didn't act like I knew who he was. My buddy does mile repeats with sub-85 sec laps & it will be iffy for him to post a 2:45- I don't see Kippy pulling it off. I'm gonna keep a closer eye on the track


I was reading this expecting you to say you finally noticed him cutting across the infield on each lap.

You know the cool part about this Kip fiasco? Deep down, Kip probably craves the attention and respect that come with running a marathon, and achieving a decent time. Especially from peers in the running community.

Now, even if he trains his arse off and actually legitimately broke 3 hours, or ran a 2:45, his peers in ther running community that know his story will never give him the respect he so desperately craves. Once a liar & cheater, it's tough to get any credibility.

That must suck. And deep down somewhere he likely tries to avoid going, he probably realizes this.
Quite a story
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/23/2011 4:17PM - in reply to tricky trickyReply | Return to Index | Report Post
As some of you already know, this story WILL still be written. Although late to the game, as a writer I was fascinated by all this. It seemed so obvious. As I pondered an angle, I researched and interviewed dozens of people. To my surprise, I discovered a shocking new side to this tale. My piece will appear, and now it will have a very interesting but unusual slant to it. Before then, I am very interested in any evidence on either side that readers would like to submit to me. One caveat- I will discard any that does not contain a name and contact info- it won't be published, but I must have it. If we haven't already communicated, submit you info to writestuffdavis@aol.com.
Enough all ready
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/23/2011 4:19PM - in reply to Clarkston KentReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Clarkston Kent wrote:

In short, Kip's playing coy. Doesn't want to meet face to face, claims he doesn't know what all the fuss is about and using his children's health as reason to keep a distance between questions & answers. Says he plans at some point to resume running races for charity & that he'll put the 'aberration' hanging like a 2 ton albatross around his neck, behind him. 'Aberration' being cheating.

The coy behavior is what's put publication of the story behind. Would be nice to 'get his side in his own words'. He answers email questions badly. I don't see direct contact happening. Stay tuned.


Clarkston,

It's obvious that he isn't going to give his side of the story. Go ahead to tell us what you know. Enough with the delays. Put up or shut up.
Predicted time
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/23/2011 4:33PM - in reply to Enough all readyReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Does anyone know what 86-87 sec laps for mile repeats equates to for a marathon time?? I would think under 3:00?
me two
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/23/2011 4:49PM - in reply to Quite a storyReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Quite a story wrote:

As some of you already know, this story WILL still be written. Although late to the game, as a writer I was fascinated by all this. It seemed so obvious. As I pondered an angle, I researched and interviewed dozens of people. To my surprise, I discovered a shocking new side to this tale. My piece will appear, and now it will have a very interesting but unusual slant to it. Before then, I am very interested in any evidence on either side that readers would like to submit to me. One caveat- I will discard any that does not contain a name and contact info- it won't be published, but I must have it. If we haven't already communicated, submit you info to writestuffdavis@aol.com.


If you are truly the author of the article, I would suggest you re-post the above request using your actual name, or at least an official email address issued by your publication.

I imagine some people will hestitate to volunteer their name to some anonymous aol.com email address, especially given the history of Kip Litton creating false websites, impersonating fake race directors, etc.. Who knows how unstable this guy is. Give people some reasonalbe assurance that you are not him.

(Can't believe that I had to suggest this.)
SOKLR
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/23/2011 5:03PM - in reply to Predicted timeReply | Return to Index | Report Post
We refuse to give out any ID for our own safety
Michael Keaton
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/24/2011 10:50AM - in reply to Enough all readyReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Enough all ready wrote:

It's obvious that he isn't going to give his side of the story. Go ahead to tell us what you know. Enough with the delays. Put up or shut up.


Has it ever crossed your mind that the guy who keeps saying, "There's no need to publish anything. I'll take care of everything." is the Kipster himself?
Er...
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/24/2011 11:01AM - in reply to Predicted timeReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Please tell me this wasn't a serious question.

Predicted time wrote:

Does anyone know what 86-87 sec laps for mile repeats equates to for a marathon time?? I would think under 3:00?
Fell Runner
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/24/2011 11:07AM - in reply to Michael KeatonReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Michael Keaton wrote:
Has it ever crossed your mind that the guy who keeps saying, "There's no need to publish anything. I'll take care of everything." is the Kipster himself?


Yes, for quite some time now but I thought it sounded a bit paranoid. *Looks over shoulder*
Sir Lance-alot
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/24/2011 11:12AM - in reply to Fell RunnerReply | Return to Index | Report Post
I refuse to read this giant thread. Amazing how long it is (yes, "that's what she said"). Anyway.....

Could someone sum up the thread/story in a paragraph. Some guy named kip cheated I gather, and.....


Thanks in advance.
Fell Runner
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/24/2011 11:16AM - in reply to Sir Lance-alotReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Kevin52
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 9/24/2011 12:24PM - in reply to Sir Lance-alotReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Sir Lance-alot wrote:

I refuse to read this giant thread. Amazing how long it is (yes, "that's what she said"). Anyway.....

Could someone sum up the thread/story in a paragraph. Some guy named kip cheated I gather, and.....


Thanks in advance.


Ahh.. the Lazy Libster-alot wants his homework done for him...

The answer is no.
Predicted time answer
marathon time 9/24/2011 12:34PM - in reply to Predicted timeReply | Return to Index | Report Post
86-87 secs should be good for a 2:49 marathon time +/- a couple mins either way.
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