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| Study of K.Litton Running |
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No problem. just corrected that on blog. race director pointed out that these oddities alone do NOT constitute strong evidence of cheating. for a slam dunk you need people who finished right behind him to say they've never seen the guy. if im ever a race director if i see some guy changing outfits and covering bib numbers im going to try and DQ the person, it's just inexcusable I dont know why people cover up their bib numbers all the time. it reminds me of how when i competed in high school they made us tuck in our singlets. and for track relays (e.g. 4x8,4x4) we needed same color undershirt. things like that. at road races Kip can 1) start 4mins after everyone else and still be awards eligible 2) 2) run a low 250 marathon net time for a Boston Qualifier 3) strip jackets, pants, sometimes shoes, & put on a black longsleeve & walk across the line with no bib number showing. I'm guessing race photographers still find his pic(s) post-race even if no bib number is showing because they have a timeline based on the D-Tag info? |
| sldkfjasdiu |
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Maybe he brings a 26 mile race to the marathon, and has to walk it in the last 385 yards? The circumstantial evidence is compelling, but doesn't really prove anything. |
| Study of K.Litton Running |
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True. But since Rosie Ruiz, new methods are supposed to catch people. According to wikipedia.com on the Aftermath of the Rosie Ruiz scandal: "Aftermath As a result of the scandal, the Boston Marathon and several other races instituted a number of safeguards against cheating that are still used today. These include extensive video surveillance and the transponder timing RFID system that monitors electronically when runners arrive at various checkpoints on the course. These techniques have been used to identify other would-be cheaters, notably 'Jean's Marines', a group of charity runners who were caught cutting the course during the 2005 Marine Corps Marathon.[8]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosie_ruiz |
| Jesse Hubbard |
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If you saw him run in person, you would understand why people doubt his results. |
| scotth |
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supposedly worldrecordrun.com is off-line because it had some marathon performances listed there where he had later been DQ'ed, plus there was a question as to where the donations were going (to his website/CF) or something. ive never seen the site, since it was taken offline last Fall during the 1st LetsRun Kip thread.[/quote] The site was removed because I asked him to remove it. There is more to this but I'm not at liberty to discuss it. |
| truth911 |
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of course... first - no one is 'hating' on kip. this guys has continually cheated, that is all we are saying. and I don't feel bad that people are pointing it out in a public forum. if he didn't want publicity like this then he should not have cheated time and time and time again. or just stopped cheating when the publicity started. it is really that simple. it is made even worse by kip allowing newspaper articles about him, making ridiculous claims about running 50 marathons in sub 3 hours and cheating in 5ks. and the evidence is overwhelming - even the absurd starting fiasco. what kind of charity pays out based on the number or runners you pass? wouldn't it be a thousand times more reliable to just pay out based on how many people finish behind you in the race? in other words based on official race placing. and where is this policy written, 'based on how many people he passes', in a contract somewhere? very doubtful. once questions arise he could simply say, ok, payout is based on the number of people who finish behind me in the official results. and these weird starts also contribute to the evidence - no way you can pass that many people and run close to your pr for the first few miles of a race. no way. he deserves all the negative publicity he gets - it is really very simple, kip if you are reading this - stop cheating and people will stop talking!! and no one is hating - we are just pointing out the obvious.
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| off course Oscar |
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You are responding to the wrong guy. Hating on kip? Why would I care, he cheated dude, end of conversation. |
| off course Oscar |
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False sir. It is not circumstantial. Let me explain. When a race director is at the halfway point of a marathon and takes photos and the guy never passes that point, how is that circumstantial? It's not, it is instead factual. I understand exactly what you are saying, but if he doesn't show up at certain mat points or on video/photographs, he did not run the entire race and therefore it's factual, he cheated. Why did he not fight the charges and argue his case like any of us would have? Because one email was enough for him and he went away to try again. As far as Scott H's remarks about there being more to it, that doesn't surprise me in the least and knew it to be true. But.......eventually, it will all come out. I have met Scott and he knows that this Teflon Litton guy did not take a wrong turn at any point during the Crim 10 miler, no one does that. It proves more than you think aldkfjasdiu and it's more factual than circumstantial. But you have the right to think what you'd like, even though commom sense and logic show you are incorrect. |
| marathon4everguy |
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You all must agree with this. There are certain things that ARE factual and that can't be explained. Why was he disqualified at other races? Face it, he cheated for whatever reasons, I could care. Run it or watch it, but don't cheat others out of their rightful place and in some cases, he actually took money away from others. Sorry, that would piss me off. |
| RuKiddingMe!! |
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I am so proud of letsrunners coming together to get this guy! I hope someday it is against the law (Misdemeanor) and you can be arrested for taking money if found cheating! |
| Study of K.Litton Running |
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for some races the evidence is circumstantial for others races it's inexplicable SLAM DUNK |
| The New UncleB |
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Why not contact the local newspaper? Make a story out of it. Also, have him centered as the focus of a story for new 5k track PR's. Either he can or he can't. Easy litmus test. |
| off course Oscar |
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Marathonguy, thanks. Study of K.Litton Running, I totally agree. But if one or more are a slam dunk, aka factual, then it doesn't make the circumstantial races look like they hold much water. I too am pissed that he took money away from guys who earned it and it surely doesn't help to know that he's a dentist, more than likely making a decent living which he rightfully earned (we hope) by going to school and playing by the rules. But then it takes money away from others who earned it and has no remorse. I think he's in hot water, real hot water and he knows it. |
| rockafellah |
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maybe, maybe not. |
| scotth |
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maybe, maybe not.[/quote] He is. |
| rockafellah |
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only thing that's happened to him so far is if someone Googles him, a bunch of running links and letsrun threads about his cheating come up along with his dental office. i feel bad about that but ...best way for him to shut his critics (and us) up is to stop the suspicious activity and go run some marathons in 3:00+ or whatever type of marathoner he really is. |
| afraid of dentists |
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That's what is scary about this guy. Did he cheat his way through school to become a dentist? Does he cut corners while working on people's teeth? Hopefully his patients google his name and find out that they're letting a sociopath with sharp instruments work in their mouth. |
| rockafellah |
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probably just didnt want to let down his family/friends by finishing a marathon >3hrs, that's not sociopath |
| rockafellah |
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he's probably a pretty funny guy actually. as another guy said perhaps he is TROLLING the world with his techniques. slippery eel troll |
| off course Oscar |
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Not that you were replying or agreeing with me Scott, but I concur that we are on the same page. He's in trouble and whatever he won will most likely be given back, trust me on that part of it. A whole can a worms has now been opened up and those who were cheated out of money have a case worth looking at. Wait for it everybody. 1:06 plus at the Crim 2 years in a row and then suddenly an annouced goal of a sub 60:00, ends up with a sub 57 and claims of a wrong turn. Why not DNF and avoid the confusion? It doesn't add up. A 2:51 marathon at age 49 averaging around 6:27 pace. Second half marathon splits averaging 6:11 (1:22 half pace) but runs an open half in a sub 1:29 just over 4 months later in 6:44 pace. How's this folks? He dropped 29 seconds "per mile" from one Gasparilla 15k to the next (09'-10'). He ran 54:05 in February of 2010. That is equal to something close to a sub 2:44 marathon and a 58:30 10 mile race. If he did that 54:05 15k and marathons were his bread and butter, one would think he would have more than one sub 2:50 under his belt. So he's gotten more speed as he's aged but lost endurance? Yeah, that makes sense. Sorry folks, but when you do this you lose all credibility and the burden of proof is now shifted on him, as in prove you did these races in full versus the race directors having to prove that he didn't. Then you involve a charity and raising money for a cause. Sorry, but I believe the RD's who have disqualified him and crazy splits that just don't add up. |
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