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JOF
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/14/2011 10:33PM - in reply to lkmlasdfReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Boston or Silicone Valley?


lkmlasdf wrote:

[quote]case sensitive wrote:

Here's something to focus on.

http://jimrhoades.com/10/boston/1m/images/DSC_1340.jpg


nice chest on that[/quote]
Sniff Out the Details
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/14/2011 11:40PM - in reply to JOFReply | Return to Index | Report Post
I think this was mentioned last night, but the quality of this thread really takes a dive at night!
Dan the Masters Man
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/14/2011 11:51PM - in reply to JOFReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Wow, those Manchester 2009 photos are frustrating. I got thru the first 2700 or so of 11,569.

The photographer set up on a highway overpass that appears to have been around the halfway mark based on the order in which the runners are pictured compared to their 1/2 split. But unfortunately the photographer set up in a spot where runners could easily run behind him along the sidewalk. Everyone on the road was photographed, but maybe a third weren't. No Kip Litton, but lots of others are unaccounted for as well.

More promising is the section where the runners are photographed in a residential neighborhood. I can ID virtually everyone who finished around Kip in the pics, with the exception of two guys (433 & 554). Those two guys have pics on the highway overpass, though. No idea what part of the race that residential section is at.

There are a bunch of pics at the start line with guys milling about before the race. Kip doesn't appear there either, but obviously he crossed the mat at some point.

No smoking gun, but yet more suspicious absence of pictures.
Kevin52
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/15/2011 12:15AM - in reply to Study of K.Litton RunningReply | Return to Index | Report Post

Study of K.Litton Running wrote:

Thanks... check it out http://kiplitton.blogspot.com/2011/01/kip-litton-timeline-so-far.html


Study of KL... You can add this if you like (use "save photo" at top to get a full res version:

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/15453422_jerXp#1157043431_v7Kh6-A-LB

It's a composite collection I made of possible KL photos. Enlarged and enhanced some in PS-CS5. The bottom row is all Boston 2010. Note the watch in all.
Kevin52
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/15/2011 12:31AM - in reply to Kevin52Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Kevin52 wrote:
Study of KL... You can add this if you like (use "save photo" at top to get a full res version:

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/15453422_jerXp#1157043431_v7Kh6-A-LB

It's a composite collection I made of possible KL photos. Enlarged and enhanced some in PS-CS5. The bottom row is all Boston 2010. Note the watch in all.


Blue coat Boston dude on bottom left has rings or something on his left hand.

Note the top right 2 photos - don't remember which race these are from - look at the d-tag on the shoes.
Race detective
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/15/2011 12:32AM - in reply to KipInAHaystackReply | Return to Index | Report Post

KipInAHaystack wrote:

11/01/09 Manchester City Marathon; (don't know if this has been looked at for suspicions)



Kip is listed in 2:54:06 net time; the woman 'Study of KL Running' was asking about who appears in one of his photos finished in 2:55:17. About 1300 total runners in full and half marathon, so perhaps a minute start time if he started in the back as usual. Results here:
http://www.coolrunning.com/results/09/nh/Nov1_3rdAnn_set8.shtml

Finished as 4th masters - 1st 3 earned prize money, so he appears first in age 40-49 if you click on Age Group winners.

There are a lack of photos for KL compared to other runners, as usual. Only two photos of him here as previously linked:
http://www2.brightroom.com/browser.aspx?eid=47688&bib=195

Two additional photos of him running next to the women's winner appear under her photos:
http://www2.brightroom.com/browser.aspx?eid=47688&bib=557
(looks like the home stretch).

A few other nearby finishers show photos on what look like 6 or even 7 additional course locations: e.g.
http://www2.brightroom.com/browser.aspx?eid=47688&bib=128
or
http://www2.brightroom.com/browser.aspx?eid=47688&bib=95
An exception, however, is runner 586, who has only one photo (although his at least is mid-race).

If trying to pull 'something' out of the data, you could look at split times. Most runners in the top 50 have a positive 2nd half vs. 1st half split of almost 10 minutes. 4 have a split of 0 to +2 minutes. Kip is the only one in the top 50 with a negative split (-2:20): 1:28:13, 1:25:53.

I see that Dan above did some good additional photo research while I was drafting this. A sequential review of mid-race photos is indeed the way to go to better make an assessment. I think this one has to go into the 'questionable performance' category.
Kevin52
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/15/2011 12:33AM - in reply to Kevin52Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Kevin52 wrote:

Note the top right 2 photos - don't remember which race these are from - look at the d-tag on the shoes.


Scratch that - up way too late...
Race detective
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but 1 and only 1 thread 1/15/2011 12:44AM - in reply to Kevin52Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Kevin52 wrote:

Note the top right 2 photos - don't remember which race these are from.


Those were from the Maine Half Marathon.
cheap american bastard
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/15/2011 12:47AM - in reply to Lyp KyttynReply | Return to Index | Report Post
POD...no, post of the month!!! hahaha, great humor!



Lyp Kyttyn wrote:
[quote]Billy Lingrun wrote:Would you pay $20 for a book written by Kip that talked about the hows and the whys. The profit would go to him.

No, but I would cheat and download a copy of it to read.[/quote]
KipInAHaystack
RE: City of Trees Marathon 1/15/2011 12:48AM - in reply to florida oldtimerReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Good call florida,

I found the two pics you are talking about, on the bridge. Still doesn't explain missing the rest of the pics. And, despite wearing just a short-sleeved shirt and his bike shorts, no bib number visible at all.

Here are the pics, for the record: http://www.backprint.com/view_event_photos.asp?PID=bp%18%7ED&EVENTID=58741&PWD=target_blank&START=3361&SHOW=60&CAT=0&SUB=0


florida oldtimer wrote:

Sorry, but I went through those and found him on the bridge.
I use to live there and know the area well from running. I think I found it in the lost and found. Sorry Kipinahaystack but my eyes are burning as well and can't remember where.


KipInAHaystack wrote:

City of Trees Marathon, Boise Idaho, 10/04/09


Official Race Pics: http://www.backprint.com/view_event.asp?PID=bp%18%7ED&EVENTID=58741&PWD=target_blank

Suspicion #2: Places 1st thru 10th all have multiple race photos (usually about 8 photos) at multiple places (bridge, lighthouse, and finish). Kip has exactly 1 photo, and that is crossing the finish line. This is a small race (135 finishers), and if you look at the photos it’s obvious that someone would not be missed like that.


Study of K.Litton Running
RE: City of Trees Marathon 1/15/2011 12:54AM - in reply to KipInAHaystackReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Does anyone know about the City of Trees (Boise, Idaho) Marathon Kip did on 10/04/09? He ran 2:55:45 and came in 5th overall

http://www.athlinks.com/time.aspx?eventid=105232&courseid=139149&r=3908643
Donkey Kong
RE: City of Trees Marathon 1/15/2011 12:59AM - in reply to Study of K.Litton RunningReply | Return to Index | Report Post
nevermind detectives, i see you're already ahead of me =)
Study of K.Litton Running
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/15/2011 1:08AM - in reply to Kevin52Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Kevin52 wrote:


Study of KL... You can add this if you like (use "save photo" at top to get a full res version:

http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/15453422_jerXp#1157043431_v7Kh6-A-LB

It's a composite collection I made of possible KL photos. Enlarged and enhanced some in PS-CS5. The bottom row is all Boston 2010. Note the watch in all.



Kevin52,

I saved this to my computer. I believe the top left is at a 2009 race, possibly Gasparilla (Florida) when Kip appeared to be somewhat ripped and in relatively good shape. The next four at the top are (I think) Gasparilla (Florida) 2010 when he "ran"(walked) a 17:33 5K. The top-right corner are at the 2010 Maine Half Marathon which he ran a MONITORED(supposedly) 1:28. The bottom-left 3 pics in the blue raincoat look very similar to Kip but I think they are someone else, at least right now I do, even though the subject is wearing the same SKINS shorts Kip wore at Maine Half Marathon And the bottom-right four pics are Kip at 2010 Boston, early on when he wore a long-sleeve black shirt and black pants, and later when he mysteriously popped on a BAA ballcap and took off what must have been 1990s style snap-away basketball windbreaker pants.

Thanks very much. I could be wrong here. Let me know what you guys think.

-Study of K Litton
Study of K.Litton Running
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/15/2011 1:18AM - in reply to Study of K.Litton RunningReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Sorry I am wrong. The top left where Kip is tanned and ripped is at the CRIM 10miler (as evident from the bib reading CRIM)

so far I dont believe guy in the blue raincoat to be KIP.
Reasons:
Bottom-left, 2nd photo on that collage (Jim Rhodes pic): has a more chiseled face, is much further back with slower runners (10000s bib number) and, as another poster pointed out earlier, does have a ring on left-hand ring finger.

tough at this point to rule anything out though
wiz khalifa
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/15/2011 3:33AM - in reply to truth911Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

truth911 wrote:

correction:
Man, kip needs to get a life and stop cheating and making up races. He might be ruining his life and his business.

No mercy, he pulled this crap as recent as a month ago when he knew people were onto him. he is a sociopath

[quote]wiz khalifa wrote:

Man, you guys need to get a life. You might be ruining his life and his business.
[/quote]

so because he cheats in a couple of races, that gives you the right to defame him and ruin his life? Seems like you guys are the sociopaths.
florida oldtimer
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/15/2011 3:58AM - in reply to Study of K.Litton RunningReply | Return to Index | Report Post

Study of K.Litton Running wrote:

Sorry I am wrong. The top left where Kip is tanned and ripped is at the CRIM 10miler (as evident from the bib reading CRIM)

so far I dont believe guy in the blue raincoat to be KIP.
Reasons:
Bottom-left, 2nd photo on that collage (Jim Rhodes pic): has a more chiseled face, is much further back with slower runners (10000s bib number) and, as another poster pointed out earlier, does have a ring on left-hand ring finger.

tough at this point to rule anything out though


Study,
Don't rule out his brother as the raincoat runner.
Liptodakip
RE: City of Trees Marathon 1/15/2011 6:47AM - in reply to Study of K.Litton RunningReply | Return to Index | Report Post

Study of K.Litton Running wrote:

Does anyone know about the City of Trees (Boise, Idaho) Marathon Kip did on 10/04/09? He ran 2:55:45 and came in 5th overall

http://www.athlinks.com/time.aspx?eventid=105232&courseid=139149&r=3908643


http://www.usatf.org/routes/view.asp?rID=397993

Easy to cut looks like
lip kitton
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/15/2011 7:21AM - in reply to solved before dinnertimeReply | Return to Index | Report Post

solved before dinnertime wrote:

There would be no shortage of runners willing to attempt that 2:49 along with him. Let us know where his next marathon will be.

As I expected, the WWM page has disappeared from google's cache. The site owner can remove it, of course.


Too bad, the WWM stats were on the original thread.
Kipper Snack
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/15/2011 7:52AM - in reply to KipInAHaystackReply | Return to Index | Report Post

KipInAHaystack wrote:

Very nice timeline.

Don't forget:
11/20/10 Sandy Springs Half Marathon - race doesn't exist; fabrication; PDF results file links same Ben Millefoglie of Davison, MI that designed WWM website, kiplittondds, etc.
12/04/10 Pine Hills 5k - fabrication.

9/12/10 Rochester Marathon, $300 prize
8/28/10 Crim 10-mile; big hometown race, skipped, claimed injury.

11/01/09 Manchester City Marathon; (don't know if this has been looked at for suspicions)
10/04/09 City of Trees Marathon; (don't know if it's been looked into)

08/22/09 Crim 10-mile; posted 56:55, later "removed" from results


Don't forget where it all started, The Detroit Free Press Marathon Relay on Oct 18, 2009. He was caught and DQ'd from the event after an extensive investigation.
geezer23
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/15/2011 9:50AM - in reply to Kipper SnackReply | Return to Index | Report Post
If post #100 gets a free t-shirt. What does post #800 give me???

Free Kip!
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