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Clarkston Kent

RE: timeline v3 revised 1/16/2011 9:28AM - in reply to ouch1000 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

ouch1000 wrote: I don’t post very frequently, but I religiously catch up on this crazy thread every night, since I’ve been in on the story from the start. For fun, here’s a summary of how the Kip Litton investigation began, as far as I know it. Most of this focuses on how I learned about the situation. (Having re-read just now what I wrote below, I suppose it comes across as kind of self-congratulatory, but my intention was to make sure that the record of my own investigation gets up on the web somewhere for posterity.) If you’ve read all 800 of these LR posts along with the previous deleted threads, you may know most of this. I don’t think, however, that the early investigations were clearly laid out: I wish I could say that I was the first one who caught Litton cheating, but that was actually Kip himself in the 2009 Crim 10 mi. According to Clarkston Kent, who I’ve conversed with by e-mail outside of this thread, he dropped out after 5 mi, then inexplicably, he appeared near the finish line and ran across. Later, he asked that his results be removed, which they did for the awards that day. However, no-one ever removed him from the automated finish results, so he still shows up as having run sub-56. Two months later, Clarkston Kent, along with some other folks at the Detroit Free Press relay questioned him intensively about cheating on his leg, and eventually he confessed that he “must have taken a wrong turn.” As far as I know, the trail got cold for awhile at that point, as Kip continued to cheat in late 2009 and early 2010. However, when Litton ran the Deadwood Michelson Trail Marathon in June of 2010, he apparently got too greedy or too careless, as he was DQ’d by the race director. See my previous post this evening for more info. I hope that 2011 brings a conclusion to this story and if the stars align, a detailed expose in a major publication, like RW or RT. It must've taken you awhile to compose your summary ouch1000! Well done - right on the mark. About the Freep Marathon relay DQ: it wasn't until a day after the event that the runner on the 2nd leg of the team that finished 2nd said, 'something ain't right'. He got the pass from the leg 1 runner before Kip's team came in. He didn't remember being passed by any members of other relay teams before he handed off to leg 3 - yet somehow Kip handed off before him. Therein was the problem. The USATF official of the race corresponded with Kip who offered little in the way of a defense other than 'I just thought I had a good day'. The USATF official DQ'd Kip's team - who were mightily pissed off with the man from Clarkston. I learned of this about a week later and, intrigued, contacted Kip and asked him about the situation. I had in hand the correspondence between Kip & the USATF official which was pretty bare on believable explanations. In my correspondence, Kip was just as vague about what happened as with the USATF official. I pointed out that I know he didn't run the whole leg - his time simply didn't add up. He confessed he might've taken a wrong turn and 'must've followed somebody'. Of course, he didn't follow anybody. He took a shortcut, lopping off over a mile on his leg. I thought I was done with him until he started up with his cheating ways in Winter '10. About a story appearing in one of the national running publications - there's nothing stopping anybody here from contacting them. Meanwhile, I'll continue to 'monitor' the zany tale from this end.

florida oldtimer

RE: timeline v3 revised 1/16/2011 9:54AM - in reply to Clarkston Kent Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

I might need some help with the Go St. Louis Marathon photo's What I did find is that Kip can't be found at the finish line photo's with the people that had the same gun time finish. 2:59.51 Problem is I can't get into the lost and found section due to cookies. I've tried overriding it but it won't let me in. Maybe someone else can have better luck www.runphotos.com Kip received $300.00 for second masters.. he has no 6 or 20 mile split.

Race detective	RE: timeline v3 revised 1/16/2011 10:25AM - in reply to florida oldtimer Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
	I had that same problem with the cookies issue. Study of KL Running has had a nice summary of the St. Louis Marathon on his site for several weeks already, here: http://kiplitton.blogspot.com/2011/01/st-louis-marathon-no-splits-at-6mi.html

solved before dinnertime

RE: gasparilla 09 1/16/2011 10:33AM - in reply to Zapruder Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Zapruder wrote: Got your back, I too believe blue jacket man is Kip. [quote]off course Oscar wrote: Apparently I am the only guy to believe it's Kip in both photos. Those faces in the Crim and the other race are identical. Heck, blow it up. The left knee in both photos is exactly the same and look at the knee cap. Laugh, but they are exact, not just his arm carriage that are exactly the same. Nice work on the photos and I will be the lone holdout that it IS KIP in both photos. http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/15453422_jerXp#1157043431_v7Kh6-A-LB [/quote] lol...guys...KL may have done any number of things in the Boston Marathon, but he did not grow leg hair and shave it off during the race. blue jacket man is not KL 'ouch' thanks for filling us in on the events that preceded the KL threads.

Kyp Lyttyn

RE: City of Trees Marathon 1/16/2011 11:00AM - in reply to paulski66 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

paulski66 wrote: A poster in the MRT forum @ RWOL claim to have "run" the "City of Trees" marathon with Kip. See the post from BrianLizard about halfway down the page. http://www.runnersworld.com/community/forums/training/marathon-race-training/doesnt-kip-litton-wear-garmin/.5 Good find, paulski66. It's worth capturing the text for this LR thread... "He "ran" the City of Trees Marathon in Boise 2010. "Placed" 5th. I was running close to two friends of mine. We had a great race going at mile 22, 4th, 5th, and I was 6th. At the out and back (easy to see who is "in" the race), I felt I could catch 5th. My buddy in 4th was feeling great and put on a strong push for the podium, closed on third but didn't catch him. I did my best to hold on and passed 5th at mile 25. However, when we finished there was another name in the mix. No one passed him, no one was passed. In a small marathon it's easy to see who the contenders are from the gun. I can count to 5 as easily as the next guy and I know when I get passed. We first told the race director "someone who was registered in the full, must have run the half marathon" (the two courses joined at mile 11/24). The race director questioned him because a total of 4 people had already come forward to ask where this "Kip" came from. When the RD questioned Kip, he said the course was poorly marked and if he got a little off course it was the race directors fault, because his "GARMIN" read 24.5. The next day a customer at our running shop came up to me and said, "Hey, you know that guy who got 5th, I was behind you guys and he was nowhere." And the MO is right, no photos of him on the course, only the finish and he's not even wearing a Garmin. Yeah, I still have a sore spot for this "Douchenozzle". PRs: 5k 17:37, 10k 36:44, 1/2 1:20:29, Marathon 2:57:06 59 Marathons and counting. 2009 Record 2:57, 2:58, 2:58, 3:00, 2:58, 2:57 (time to mix up the training!)"

Race detective	RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/16/2011 11:13AM - in reply to Race detective Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
	Does anyone know when Kip's worldrecordrun.com website was created? Thought it may have been mentioned earlier but can't find it.

florida oldtimer	RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/16/2011 11:24AM - in reply to Race detective Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
	Race detective wrote: Does anyone know when Kip's worldrecordrun.com website was created? Thought it may have been mentioned earlier but can't find it. Speaking of that, go to the facebook page for worldrecordrun and checkout the picture of him crossing the line (arms raised). Double click and read the caption. HAHA

case sensitive

RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/16/2011 11:25AM - in reply to Race detective Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Race detective wrote: Does anyone know when Kip's worldrecordrun.com website was created? Thought it may have been mentioned earlier but can't find it. May 6, 2010, the same day as westwyomingmarathon.com. Domain Name: WORLDRECORDRUN.COM Registrar: 1 & 1 INTERNET AG Whois Server: whois.schlund.info Referral URL: http://REGISTRAR.SCHLUND.INFO Name Server: NS51.1AND1.COM Name Server: NS52.1AND1.COM Status: ok Updated Date: 06-may-2010 Creation Date: 06-may-2010 Expiration Date: 06-may-2011 Domain Name: WESTWYOMINGMARATHON.COM Registrar: 1 & 1 INTERNET AG Whois Server: whois.schlund.info Referral URL: http://REGISTRAR.SCHLUND.INFO Name Server: NS51.1AND1.COM Name Server: NS52.1AND1.COM Status: ok Updated Date: 06-may-2010 Creation Date: 06-may-2010 Expiration Date: 06-may-2011

Runnurer

RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/16/2011 11:44AM - in reply to case sensitive Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

case sensitive wrote: [quote]Race detective wrote: Does anyone know when Kip's worldrecordrun.com website was created? Thought it may have been mentioned earlier but can't find it. May 6, 2010, the same day as westwyomingmarathon.com. Domain Name: WORLDRECORDRUN.CO Status: ok Updated Date: 06-may-2010 Creation Date: 06-may-2010 Expiration Date: 06-may-2011[/quote] This is sickening. This is enough of a smoking gun. The guy is insane.

fbstalker

RE: gasparilla 09 1/16/2011 1:03PM - in reply to Study of K.Litton Running Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Again, for somone on an alleged charity drive he was awfully quiet about it on FB. Exactly 2 of those marathons are mentioned in his status updates. March 21 (2:53 So took a dip in the ocean!) and May 3 (Wow, finished right behind Chuck Marathonjunkie.). He makes a vague mention of his injury around Crim, but it is more in response to a running friends comment. Haven't looked at the worldrecordrun page yet. Study of K.Litton Running wrote: timeline v3 revised Date Event Gun Time Chip Time Difference Key Suspicions 02/28/09 Publix Super Markets Gasparilla Distance Classic Race Weekend – 5K 00:22:29 00:18:27 00:04:02 Photos show subject walking during 18:27 5K 02/28/09 Publix Super Markets Gasparilla Distance Classic Race Weekend – 15K 01:01:47 00:58:41 00:03:06 33:07 for 1st Half (7.5K) 02/28/09 Publix Super Markets Gasparilla Distance Classic Race Weekend – Marathon 03:00:46 02:56:39 00:04:07 1:34:11 for 1st Half 05/23/09 Bayshore (Michigan) Marathon 02:55:40 02:52:58 00:02:42 1:30:13 1st Half; 1:22:45 2nd Half 08/22/09 Crim (Michigan) 10 mile ? 00:56:55 ? unusually fast time; “removed” from official results, yet result is still listed on Athlinks.com 09/06/09 New Mexico Marathon 02:58:38 02:57:53 00:00:45 5000ft Altitude; 2nd overall; delayed start; 4th place finisher swears he didn't see him 10/04/09 City of Trees (Idaho) Marathon ? 02:55:45 ? Race Director DQ for awards – missing from photographs at key locations along race course 10/18/09 Detroit Free Press Marathon Relay ? ? ? RACE DIRECTOR DQ subsequent to investigation of relay team 11/01/09 Manchester City Marathon (NH) ? 02:54:06 ? Negative split – 1:28:13, 1:25:53; race is hillier and more difficult in 2nd half 01/17/10 PF Chang Arizona Marathon 02:55:28 02:51:21 00:04:07 video; net difference 02/27/10 Gasparilla 15K 00:57:11 00:54:05 00:03:06 went through half in 29:11(7.5K) 02/27/10 Gasparilla 5K 00:20:40 00:17:33 00:03:07 walking @17:33 5K 02/27/10 Gasparilla Marathon 02:57:56 02:53:52 00:04:04 1:31:01 1st half 03/20/10 Shamrock (Virginia) 8K 00:35:15 00:29:10 00:06:05 long sleeve & long pants, finished with slower people because he started so far back 03/21/10 Shamrock (Virginia) Marathon 02:56:53 02:53:15 00:03:38 outfit change (pants, jacket) 04/11/10 Go! St. Louis Marathon 02:59:31 02:54:25 00:05:06 missing splits for 6miles & 20miles, and all other in finishers in the top 20 (Kip was 19th) have these splits 04/18/10 BAA Boston 5K Road Race 00:21:21 00:17:17 00:04:04 large difference from gun v. net (4:04)...17:17 net 5K (5:34 pace/mile) in a baggy blue windbreaker and long pants 04/19/10 BAA BOSTON MARATHON ? 02:52:12 ? outfit change (pants, ball cap) 05/02/10 Providence COX Marathon 02:56:13 02:52:39 00:03:34 outfit change (shoes, shorts) 05/16/10 Delaware Marathon DISQUALIFIED – 02:57:16 N/A N/A RACE DIRECTOR DQ 05/30/10 KeyBank Vermont City Marathon 02:53:36 02:49:02 00:04:34 net difference; 6:11/mi for final 10K 07/03/10 West Wyoming Marathon Race doesnt exist – FABRICATED a 02:56:12 N/A N/A FABRICATION – Kip came in 1st place but Race does NOT EXIST! (confirmed by marathonguide.com) 07/11/10 Missoula Montana Marathon DISQUALIFIED – 02:49 RACE DIRECTOR DQ 08/28/10 Crim (Michigan) 10 mile DNS – Injury N/A N/A N/A 09/12/10 MVP Healthcare Rochester (NY) Marathon 02:57:59 02:57:25 00:00:34 1st Master - $300 prize money, start time of 34seconds, with only 13 slower starting runners in a field of about 600; pictures show him clutching at his leg before the finish, then walking across the line 10/03/10 Maine Half Marathon ? 01:28:14 ? sub-par relative to recent performances. We've heard he was followed by person on bike to ensure he ran full distance. 11/20/10 Sandy Springs (Atlanta, GA) Half Marathon Race doesnt exist – FABRICATED – 1:20:44 N/A N/A FABRICATION – Race does NOT EXIST! 12/01/10 Charlotte Thunderbird Marathon 03:00:24 02:55:20 00:05:04 6:11pace from 13.1 to 20miles, bib covered & walking at finish 12/04/10 Pine Hills 5K Race doesnt exist – FABRICATED N/A N/A FABRICATION – Race does NOT EXIST!

Study of K.Litton Running

RE: timeline v3 revised 1/16/2011 1:09PM - in reply to Race detective Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Race detective wrote: I had that same problem with the cookies issue. Study of KL Running has had a nice summary of the St. Louis Marathon on his site for several weeks already, here: http://kiplitton.blogspot.com/2011/01/st-louis-marathon-no-splits-at-6mi.html thanks but for GO! ST LOUIS does someone have photos? we didnt really look into it...or maybe we did but there was very little? also i only checked the top20 (kip was 19th) for the 6mile and 20mile splits which the top20 all have except Kip. i imagine every other finisher after top20 also has them...Kip did start 5 mins 6secs after the gun at ST LOUIS so maybe the timing mats at 6mi&20mi didnt register the runners further behind? that's the only possible explanation i can think of?

Study of K.Litton Running

RE: gasparilla 09 1/16/2011 1:14PM - in reply to fbstalker Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

fbstalker wrote: Again, for somone on an alleged charity drive he was awfully quiet about it on FB. Exactly 2 of those marathons are mentioned in his status updates. March 21 (2:53 So took a dip in the ocean!) and May 3 (Wow, finished right behind Chuck Marathonjunkie.). He makes a vague mention of his injury around Crim, but it is more in response to a running friends comment. - May 3rd was the day AFTER he finished behind Chuck Marathonjunkie at Cox Providence. The sad thing was that he talked his FB wall about drafting off Chuck for the 1st half mile but this would have been impossible since he started 3min34secs after the gun went off; thus, Chuck had already passed 1/2mile before Kip crossed the starting line. 05/02/10 Providence COX Marathon 02:56:13 02:52:39 00:03:34 outfit change (shoes, shorts) -March 20th to 21st was ShamRock Virginia 8K & Marathon (i think). Active.com i think lists the 8K as the same day as the Marathon but when i looked at race website i recall the 8K being the day before it 03/20/10 Shamrock (Virginia) 8K 00:35:15 00:29:10 00:06:05 long sleeve & long pants, finished with slower people because he started so far back 03/21/10 Shamrock (Virginia) Marathon 02:56:53 02:53:15 00:03:38 outfit change (pants, jacket)

Study of K.Litton Running	RE: gasparilla 09 1/16/2011 1:17PM - in reply to fbstalker Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
	fbstalker wrote: Again, for somone on an alleged charity drive he was awfully quiet about it on FB. This is the website of the FB group on it http://www.facebook.com/pages/World-Record-Run/127132550632826

Study of K.Litton Running	RE: timeline v3 revised 1/16/2011 1:23PM - in reply to Clarkston Kent Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
	just found some photos of Kip at the DEADWOOD SOUTH DAKOTA TRAIL MARATHON (one i forgot about on the timeline) http://www.backprint.com/view_user_event.asp?PID=bp%18yG&EVENTID=64985&PWD=&LAST=litton&DIVISION=&BIB=208

swedishbasteve

RE: gasparilla 09 1/16/2011 1:34PM - in reply to Study of K.Litton Running Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Study of K.Litton Running wrote: [quote]fbstalker wrote: Again, for somone on an alleged charity drive he was awfully quiet about it on FB. This is the website of the FB group on it http://www.facebook.com/pages/World-Record-Run/127132550632826[/quote] Why, in one of the worldrecordrun facebook photos, detroit freepress 2003, does it say "long story short-the stadium audience mistakenly thought I won the marathon! He is not in any of the results that year, yet had mistakenly won the marathon! I want the looong story!

Lone Gunman

RE: gasparilla 09 1/16/2011 1:35PM - in reply to fbstalker Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

suberb summary, ouch. thank you. I can tell you where KL wasnt today - at the Naples half marathon, a former haunt of his. I was worried about being "kipped' at the awards ceremony, but it didnt happen. That course by the way is tailor made for the kipster - places to cut are too many to count plus no mats on course. He ran a 1:25 in naples in 2009 - I tend not to believe it. ********Furthermore, I just noticed on athlinks he ran the Sarasota half marathon in 1:21 in 2009. That's where I live. You can 'kip' that course too. I highly doubt he ran 1:21. I searched the results and found his crossing the line in 1:23 with a chip time of 1:21 - typical. Of course, only a finishing photo. The few guys in that time frame have at least on on-course photo. Typical. http://www.runphotos.com/packages.cfm?file_name=finish/61A_5285.JPG I have an email into a buddy of mine, Mickey (bib 2321), whom he finished just ahead of by time to ask if he remembers anything. Mickey is a tough runner. No way kip got the better of him.

side stitch

RE: gasparilla 09 1/16/2011 1:44PM - in reply to Lone Gunman Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

Lone Gunman wrote: suberb summary, ouch. thank you. I can tell you where KL wasnt today - at the Naples half marathon, a former haunt of his. I was worried about being "kipped' at the awards ceremony, ********Furthermore, I just noticed on athlinks he ran the Sarasota half marathon in 1:21 in 2009. That's where I live. You can 'kip' that course too http://www.runphotos.com/packages.cfm?file_name=finish/61A_5285.JPG I have an email into a buddy of mine, Mickey (bib 2321), whom he finished just ahead of by time to ask if he remembers anything. Mickey is a tough runner. No way kip got the better of him. Phrase of the year I was "Kipped" That is a great course to "Kip" That douchnozzle 'Kipped' the course Put it in the Urban Dictionary

WhitePony	RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/16/2011 1:53PM - in reply to Race detective Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
	Kip Pics at St. Louis - These are classic. http://www.runphotos.com/packages.cfm?file_name=finish/101_9462.jpg http://www.runphotos.com/packages.cfm?file_name=finish/101_9463.jpg http://www.runphotos.com/packages.cfm?file_name=finish/101_9464.jpg http://www.runphotos.com/packages.cfm?file_name=finish/101_9465.jpg

Study of K.Litton Running	RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/16/2011 1:56PM - in reply to WhitePony Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
	http://kiplitton.blogspot.com/2011/01/sarasota-half-marathon-2009-sarasota.html http://kiplitton.blogspot.com/2011/01/deadwood-mickelson-trail-marathon-2010.html

WhitePony	RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/16/2011 1:57PM - in reply to WhitePony Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
	Does he have his chip in his hand?!?

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