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| Er... |
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Those 10,000+ finishers include participants in the marathon, half-marathon, 5K and wheelchair and other events. It looks like 643 runners completed the 5k. If you look at the gun/chip time differentials of the top ten, tenth place has a 20-second gap. Everyone else is within one to two seconds except Kip in 6th with his 2:18 gap. You have to scroll down to runners in the 25:00 chip time range before you find other 2:00+ differentials. There's something I don't get about the results page, though, because it consistently says 643 finishers but the last set of results lists finish orders up to 1523. What am I missing? [/quote] |
| off course Oscar |
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Great find! Of course, no bib exposed. |
| off course Oscar |
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Well done, that's how people keep finding him. Perserverance is his enemy and our friend. |
| Race detective |
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You're right about the numbers. I hadn't been able to find just the 5K results when I wrote the 10000+ number, which is what came up on the active.com site. Clicking on the link to the finishers, it then allows sorting by event. 5K run/walk sorting shows 1526 finishers: http://results.active.com/pages/stats.jsp?rsID=34701&pubID=3 Maybe 643 were entered as runners, and the rest were walkers. |
| case sensitive |
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You're looking at men only. 643 men, 883 women finishers for 1526 total. |
| FlintTown |
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The reporter in question was obviously not aware of the issues with Kip when he wrote the article. When he found out he was not happy. He would have a harder time writing about Kip's misadventures for the Flint Journal because of Libel concerns. You can get away with it on the internet but it is much harder in print. Bill Khan, the reporter, is a decent runner in his own right. He has run 3:15 or so for the marathon which isn't half bad for a guy in his late 40s. He is just as annoyed as the rest of us about Kip's antics. |
| fbstalker |
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Professionally she may have a whole lot more to lose than he does from all of this if any kind of fraud conspiracy is ever uncovered. |
| Race detective |
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Yep - another 2006 race which shows early m.o. behavior. Start delay - 3:44 While there are a handful of runners ahead of Kip with start delays in the 2 minute range, there are none this large: http://results.active.com/pages/searchform.jsp?posted_p=t&numPerPage=100&page=3&rsID=9509&sex=M&queryType=division&pubID=3#VIEW |
| Limp Kitten |
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In reference to the 2008 Las Vegas race, I was at that race running the full marathon. I only decided to enter the race a couple weeks prior as I found out I would be in Vegas for a work function over that period of time. As a late registrant I was unable to be in the "elite" starting corral which was reserved for anyone who had proven to run under 3:30 for a marathon. I was pretty upset about this as I had just ran under 2:45 a few months prior. Long story short, I started that race about 5-10 seconds off from guntime behind the "elite" corral. My first mile was my slowest mile of the entire race that day. By starting a mere 5-10 seconds behind the gun, I spent much of the first mile zigging and zagging my way through slower runners. My average pace for the run was under 6:30/mile, yet my first mile was a 6:52. It was just impossible to go any faster without plowing over top of people. I'd say that from first hand experience, if someone were to run a 1:21 half on that day, starting over 4 minutes behind the gun, they would have to be in 1:15/1:16 shape. They only close down one side of Las Vegas Blvd. which leaves VERY little room to run amongst the crowd in the first few miles. If my memory serves me correctly, there were around 15,000 people between the full and the half on that day. |
| Clarkston Kent |
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A note has been sent to the '08 Brooksie Way race director asking her to look into the viability of Kip's/RichRod's performance & his use of a alias. Kip is not capable of a 1:19 half marathon. |
| off course Oscar |
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I know Maury quite well, the guy who finished right in front of him. But that's the chip time not the running time, correct? So then in reality he was nowhere near him at the finish line. |
| off course Oscar |
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By the way, your post is yet another reason why I don't and wont' believe the 1:28 half until it is proven that he's hit every mat, was in every photo, is seen at the start, AND the person or persons who road on the bike are identified. If the 1:06 plus 10 milers at the Crim are now suspect, what is actually real? |
| Kevin52 |
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Yup, Bryan is his middle name I believe. I sent a few emails out to Ron P. and others as the last address I had for Bryan bounced. |
| GaryB |
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[quote]dukerdog wrote: Kevin52 wrote: I bet I can dig up an email for Albert Alfonso and he should remember vividly as he was from Clarkston too. Dukerdog may know him better than I do though so maybe he will jump in if he does. That's actually Bryan Alfonso. I know him but don't have an email address for him. I can probably get it, but there may be others on here who can contact him sooner.[/quote Dukerdog, drop me an email. |
| mommy mommy |
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It might have been said already, but the burden of proof is now on Kip to prove he has even one legit time among the oodles of results attributed to him on active.com, etc. I do not buy a single one - even the 19 high 5Ks are tainted. |
| good times |
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I've run the Crim eight times, and have always been fortunate to get in the elite corral - except for one year when I got into Flint late that morning, couldn't find a spot to park, and was racing to the starting line as the gun was going off. There were about 5,000 people in that race, and it took me about four minutes to get across the line. The start is wide, but the first mile has a lot of turns, and it's a SEA OF PEOPLE. I was crawling. You simply couldn't run any faster...there was no where to go unless you were shoving people out of the way. It finally opened up a bit, but not until mile four or so. Presuming he can get going at mile four or five, he has a ton of ground to make up. That would also mean Kip would have had to have been FLYING through what is universally regarded as the hardest part of the course. Just when I think he can't suck any more as a person, someone uncovers something else that takes him one notch lower. |
| Kevin52 |
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Brooksie Way is affiliated with the Crim so you might get a two-fer out of that. |
| Kip "K" |
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This issue of Kip somehow "plowing" through vast fields of entrants after starting with a delay has been in the backround throughout the discussion. Thanks for pointing out just how absurd this concept is. Certainly the "flag" for his deceptive ways has been his gun/chip differential. Unless the guy has powers of levitation, some/most of his supposed racing feats are not humanly possible, no matter of his fitness.
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| Murrow Junior |
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So you are saying that a professional journalist can't find the words to tell his readers that some of the "facts" he reported in an earlier story have now come to be questioned. Really? The libel issue is Journalism 101 and, with a properly conservative clarification, no threat whatsoever. Seems like the reporter would want to clarify the original versus leaving it out there and allowing others to believe he stands by it. |
| Keith Stone |
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The reporter has very little say in what stories go in the paper. That decision is up to the editorial board. The reporter can pitch a story, but the whole "cheating at road races" angle probably doesn't rise to high in your normal editorial board's interest level particularly if they don't think the general public will understand it. The original story was your typical feel-good special interest story. The rebuttal means trying to explain splits and clothing changes to people that quite frankly don't give a rip. It could come down to something as simple as the editor not wanting to pay the guy to research and write the story. If it could be proved he actually defrauded a charity or did something that rises to a wider interest I'm sure it would come back on the radar, but the race cheating angle isn't really a hot topic in your average mid-market newspaper. |
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