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| Kyp Lyttyn |
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Read the one comment posted for the Wyoming marathon: "Small race, with only a couple dozen runners. Bring your own gels; only water is available on course. Out-and-back route. No spectators to speak of. Sounds like a downer, but the view and the town are so worth it! Cross Wyoming off of your list and visit one of the most beautiful towns in the US at the same time." Submitted by G.S. from Nebraska, which matches to one runner: Greg Sanchez (M54) 4:39:26 21 14 / 2 M50-59 Lincoln, NE, USA Coming from a salty 54 year old, the review creates the impression that Greg is an experienced marathoner and probably a 50 stater. But type in his name at Marathon Guide and this is his only race! Our expert marathoner comes out of no where to join Kip for the 29 person race, and then vanishes along with all traces of the race. All links to it are dead. Another Litton oddity that leaves you wondering if he did fake the whole race. I can't imagine Marathon Guide putting out too much effort to fact check a 29 person race, and it may be as simple as submitting some bogus results to Marathon Guide to turn them into an unwitting accomplice. |
| fast 26 miler |
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Also notice that she is an attorney (she lists her employer and occupation publicly on facebook), so it would be easy to use her to draft C&D letters to letsrun or other sites. No lawyer costs, threads/pages come down, etc. A friend of mine had a father at one of the big corporate firms in our city and used to use him all the times to send threatening letters on the firm's letterhead anytime he felt wronged or wanted something done. When it doesn't cost you anything, it's easily abused. |
| Study of K.Litton Running |
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Next thing i know an attorney's going to come after us (and me) for LIBEL |
| MC |
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I just looked up every finisher on marathonguide (didn't take long for a race with only 29 finishers). Not one of them has ever run a marathon other than West Wyoming! There are a few that *might* be real: Theresa Walker, Michael Smith, Susan Wells, Ian Davis, James Larsen - for each of these there's another person that could possibly be the same but with a different hometown, 1-year age difference, etc. and they don't all have very consistent times - Susan Wells, for instance, ran a 3:27 in Top of Utah but a 4:59 in West Wyoming?? Then I compared every single name against the 50 state marathon club list (http://50statesmarathonclub.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi?form=1) and the Marathon Maniacs list (http://www.marathonmaniacsdb.com/Maniacs/Scorecard.asp) NOT ONE OF THEM IS IN EITHER GROUP! Wyoming only has 3 marathons so you'd expect to see a LOT of 50-staters at any marathon there. Especially during 4th of July weekend when your only other options are Leadville, CO or Portland, OR. I'm not ready to say this wasn't a real marathon...but it's very suspicious... |
| Sarvesh |
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There is a 0.0% chance that anyone on this thread is at risk for libel. The burden of proof would be on Kip to prove that libel occurred, which is no easy task by itself. Secondly, a libel lawsuit would bring into question every allegation that has come up so far, it would only dig him in a deeper hole. It's not gonna happen. |
| Study of K.Litton Running |
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what about the blog? |
| Sarvesh |
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No chance. My third point about libel is that he would also have to pierce the anonymous internet veil. Good luck finding a court that will do that. |
| take the money and run |
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To run with him you have to find him among thousands at the start. Someone suggested that he be asked to wear a GPS. He would probably refuse that - on the grounds that a failure to finish sub-3 would be automatically taken as evidence of previous cheating, when in reality he might run sub-3 due to a bad day or injury etc. If the RDs really want to catch course cutters, isn't the solution just to put more mats on the course? Put out more mats and require that a runner's chip register at ALL mats. This is how the NYCM catches 50 or so course cutters each year. |
| Liptodakip |
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To run with him you have to find him among thousands at the start. Someone suggested that he be asked to wear a GPS. He would probably refuse that - on the grounds that a failure to finish sub-3 would be automatically taken as evidence of previous cheating, when in reality he might run sub-3 due to a bad day or injury etc. If the RDs really want to catch course cutters, isn't the solution just to put more mats on the course? Put out more mats and require that a runner's chip register at ALL mats. This is how the NYCM catches 50 or so course cutters each year.[/quote] Or he could make up an entire race! |
| Just Wow |
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Searing google for the site http://www.jhnewsandguide.com site (local news for Jackson hole) uncovers no results about a marathon but a news story on a half marathon a few years ago. Seems like something that would ordinarily make some news locally... |
| Just Wow |
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This site also has nothing... http://www.planetjh.com |
| Lone Gunman |
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Holy crap!!!! I did too - - NONE of them has any record of any marathon finishes from 2006 onward. This is like a spooky mystery or a Chris Angel act - how can someone make a marathon disappear???!!!!!! Answer - if maybe it never happened. This has the potential to be something beyond extraordinary if its true Notice the finisher names (see below) - they are all very vanilla names like if one had to, hypothetically speaking, make up 29 names: Also Jackson Hole is not a speck of a town. One would surmise maybe more than 29 people might run a race there. There is no history of this race ever before that I could google. My questions: has anyone asked marathon guide about this yet? ANd since there were no t-shirts ever made for this event, shouldnt letsrun.com spring for official West Wyoming Marthon gear for all of us - and perhaps host the first official letsrun.com marathon there. Finisher's list: Kip Litton (M48) 2:56:12 1 1 / 1 M40-49 Davison, MI, USA Roberto Vasquez (M25) 2:57:21 2 2 / 1 M20-29 Los Angeles, CA, USA Don Moore (M42) 3:06:47 3 3 / 2 M40-49 Denver, CO, USA Joel Hernandez (M40) 3:11:28 4 4 / 3 M40-49 Los Angeles, CA, USA Andrew Scott (M33) 3:14:10 5 5 / 1 M30-39 Jackson, WY, USA Philip Hall (M26) 3:16:58 6 6 / 2 M20-29 Salt Lake City, UT, USA Craig Adams (M34) 3:21:47 7 7 / 2 M30-39 Idaho Falls, ID, USA Kevin Scott (M35) 3:29:53 8 8 / 3 M30-39 Boulder, CO, USA Susan Johnson (F29) 3:29:58 9 1 / 1 F20-29 Minneapolis, MN, USA Karen Nelson (F36) 3:31:27 10 2 / 1 F30-39 Pocatello, ID, USA Michael Cook (M38) 3:39:29 11 9 / 4 M30-39 Casper, WY, USA Joseph Smith (M28) 3:39:59 12 10 / 3 M20-29 Chicago, IL, USA Anne Reid (F31) 3:42:42 13 3 / 2 F30-39 Las Vegas, NV, USA Kristen Moore (F37) 3:48:28 14 4 / 3 F30-39 Denver, CO, USA David Hansen (M51) 4:03:14 15 11 / 1 M50-59 Billings, MT, USA Gary Butler (M44) 4:11:32 16 12 / 4 M40-49 Rexburg, ID, USA Glen Bridge (M39) 4:22:51 17 13 / 5 M30-39 Provo, UT, USA Theresa Walker (F43) 4:25:32 18 5 / 1 F40-49 Wilson, WY, USA Donna Dixon (F38) 4:26:18 19 6 / 4 F30-39 San Francisco, CA, USA Kelly Park (F36) 4:37:52 20 7 / 5 F30-39 Great Falls, MT, USA Greg Sanchez (M54) 4:39:26 21 14 / 2 M50-59 Lincoln, NE, USA Cheryl Grant (F48) 4:42:41 22 8 / 2 F40-49 Phoenix, AZ, USA Michael Smith (M52) 4:48:48 23 15 / 2 M50-59 Bozeman, MT, USA Kim Franklin (F29) 4:53:20 24 9 / 2 F20-29 Cody, WY, USA Susan Wells (F57) 4:59:39 25 10 / 1 F50-59 Pocatello, ID, USA Terry Adams (M61) 5:11:52 26 16 / 1 M60-69 Pocatello, ID, USA Ian Davis (M31) 5:16:03 27 17 / 6 M30-39 Salt Lake City, UT, USA James Larsen (M48) 5:24:51 28 18 / 3 M40-49 Sandy, UT, USA Sarah Peterson (F43) 5:29:35 29 11 / 3 F20-29 Idaho Falls, ID, USA |
| Just Wow |
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Another site with only half marathon coverage from June 26 2010. No marathon news though! |
| Just Wow |
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http://www.jacksonholenet.com/news/ |
| Just Wow |
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Interesting race calendar: http://www.tetonwyo.org/parks/docs/2010%20RUNNING.%20CALENDAR.pdf |
| Sarvesh |
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The guy who got 2nd place, Roberto Vasquez appears to be a real runner. Surely someone here either directly or indirectly knows the guy (or anyone else on the list for that matter) and can confirm that this was a real marathon. http://www.flickr.com/photos/kjdrill/4459502354/ |
| Lone Gunman |
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That's Roberto VaZquez with a Z who is 26 yrs old and hails from Long Beach (I know near LA). The West Wyoming fininsher is spelled Vasquez and is listed as 25 and from LA itself. Still weird.... Funny that the pic you posted said he ran 2:47, when in fact he ran 2:55 (the irony of that is not lost) |
| road rashed |
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this is getting better and better. a made up marathon. this kip guy is creative in the vein of James Hogue. Keep digging folks! I kind of wonder if his dental degree is real |
| Lone Gunman |
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218 finishers in the Jackson Hole 1/2M on June 26, 2010, 2 weeks before the WWM (can we call it that now?) took place. No overlap of finishers that I could tell. A nice variety of names. Why have a full marathon 2 weeks after a half in the same small city? Hmm.. 1 1 1 Patryk Gierjatowicz M 20 165 1:16:53 05:52 1 2 2 Mike Lunde M 30 127 1:19:09 06:02 2 3 3 Joshua Denny M 30 141 1:21:11 06:11 1 4 4 Ross Marabella M 1 203 1:25:09 06:30 2 5 5 Whitney Murphy M 20 22 1:26:31 06:36 3 6 7 Doug Cook M 30 204 1:27:44 06:41 1 7 8 Ken Konicek M 50 54 1:28:20 06:44 3 8 9 Spencer Larsen M 20 65 1:29:51 06:51 2 9 10 Matthew Warriner M 1 67 1:30:39 06:55 4 10 11 Brad Thomas M 30 81 1:31:50 07:00 1 11 12 Bob Marabella M 40 202 1:32:10 07:02 5 12 14 Terrence Johnson M 30 153 1:32:47 07:04 2 13 15 David Toppenberg M 40 240 1:33:09 07:06 6 14 16 Bert Wolfley M 30 241 1:34:11 07:11 3 15 18 Greg Mills M 40 16 1:35:27 07:17 4 16 19 Joel Cannon M 40 130 1:35:52 07:19 7 17 20 Kristopher Hubbard M 30 44 1:36:09 07:20 5 18 22 Brian Roberts M 40 207 1:37:24 07:26 4 19 24 Tyson Baker M 20 205 1:37:41 07:27 5 20 26 Peter Lobozzo M 20 175 1:38:14 07:29 8 21 29 Chase Beninga M 30 69 1:39:30 07:35 9 22 31 Kevin Callahan M 30 126 1:40:25 07:40 6 23 32 Peter Leitton M 40 251 1:40:59 07:42 2 24 34 Dave Muskat M 50 245 1:42:00 07:47 6 25 35 Joshua Mickelson M 20 158 1:42:04 07:47 10 26 36 Brendan Mcdermott M 30 63 1:43:03 07:52 7 27 39 Jason FITZSIMMONS M 20 9 1:43:43 07:55 11 28 41 Zack Brown M 30 166 1:45:49 08:04 12 29 43 Shawn Hight M 30 55 1:46:14 08:06 7 30 44 Duane Ediger M 40 155 1:46:31 08:07 8 31 46 Cameron Hartman M 20 250 1:47:01 08:10 13 32 47 Scott Larsen M 30 228 1:47:18 08:11 3 33 50 Jeff Hugie M 50 77 1:47:34 08:12 14 34 56 Ben Sessions M 30 243 1:50:16 08:25 9 35 61 Tim Miles M 20 106 1:51:38 08:31 15 36 64 Holly Balogh M 30 224 1:52:08 08:33 16 37 67 Tom Hedges M 30 84 1:53:19 08:39 17 38 69 Jp Werlin M 30 214 1:54:01 08:42 8 39 71 Christopher Hawks M 40 167 1:54:23 08:43 1 40 72 George Adams M 60 185 1:54:33 08:44 10 41 75 Michae Krulin M 20 149 1:55:06 08:47 18 42 76 Ryan Combs M 30 125 1:55:14 08:47 9 43 77 Bomber Bryan M 40 144 1:55:31 08:49 11 44 78 Chris Dickey M 20 142 1:55:32 08:49 10 45 84 James Slack M 40 150 1:57:11 08:56 12 46 91 Adam Kopp M 20 209 1:58:12 09:01 11 47 97 Darin Larkin M 40 78 1:59:16 09:06 13 48 100 Paul Larsen M 20 227 1:59:59 09:09 19 49 102 Luke Kratz M 30 169 2:00:42 09:12 2 50 106 Joseph Diprisco M 60 190 2:01:22 09:15 4 51 108 BROOKS ROBINSON M 50 24 2:01:47 09:17 12 52 115 Jim Goslin M 40 211 2:03:19 09:24 14 53 120 Kevin Paul M 20 145 2:04:54 09:32 15 54 128 David Manning M 20 61 2:07:26 09:43 5 55 129 Phil Clark M 50 164 2:07:30 09:44 20 56 134 Justin Kallal M 30 216 2:08:08 09:46 16 57 152 Chris Wilson M 20 230 2:12:39 10:07 17 58 154 Dan Renaud M 20 197 2:13:09 10:09 18 59 156 Cory Butler M 20 1 2:13:56 10:13 21 60 161 Brian Oldham M 30 246 2:15:11 10:19 6 61 165 Phil Kimble M 50 133 2:16:11 10:23 3 62 167 Bill McPeak M 60 242 2:16:47 10:26 13 63 176 Mark Warriner M 40 66 2:21:00 10:45 3 64 177 Jonathan Hecht M 1 124 2:21:25 10:47 14 65 181 Marc Whitcomb M 40 159 2:21:46 10:49 15 66 184 James Poyer M 40 58 2:25:54 11:08 16 67 187 John Herbert M 40 7 2:27:47 11:16 7 68 192 Terry Chambers M 50 217 2:28:47 11:21 17 69 204 Steven Dahms M 40 239 2:43:11 12:27 8 70 218 Mark Hecht M 50 120 3:04:02 14:02 |
| truth911 |
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there has to be a few people from jackson hole who post on letsrun... someone should start a thread asking about this mysterious marathon. or better yet get brojos involved. there is the risk that kip or his friends respond.
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