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Dip_Shitton aka KipLitton
RE: Another race 6/1/2011 12:18AM - in reply to DarnellReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Darnell wrote:

So when is Rojo going to actually start his one and only one Kip Litton thread????


We (SOKLR, Clarkston, Ouch, GK, kirkaz, racedetective, etc) did it so he wouldn't have to.
Kip Beat Boston 2010
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 6/1/2011 2:29PM - in reply to SomeActualDataReply | Return to Index | Report Post
SomeActualData wrote:

From what I recall of the thread from the other day, the possibility was raised that Litton might have cut the course at the Boston Marathon, or at least the legitimacy of his time there was questioned.

To me, that's a big deal, given the stature of the Boston Marathon and its particular history with cheaters (e.g., Rosie Ruiz). It's also an interesting intellectual puzzle - given all the safeguards, could it be done?

So did someone "beat Boston"? Could someone??

That would seem to be a legit topic of discussion. Oh, and for the "just keep your mouth shut" crowd, I'd point out that Rosie Ruiz was only caught because various community members stepped up and pooled what they knew ... kind of like what the Let's Run message board does these days.


he beat it.
Clarkston Kent
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 6/1/2011 3:29PM - in reply to Kip Beat Boston 2010Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Kip Beat Boston 2010 wrote:

[quote]SomeActualData wrote:

From what I recall of the thread from the other day, the possibility was raised that Litton might have cut the course at the Boston Marathon, or at least the legitimacy of his time there was questioned.

To me, that's a big deal, given the stature of the Boston Marathon and its particular history with cheaters (e.g., Rosie Ruiz). It's also an interesting intellectual puzzle - given all the safeguards, could it be done?

So did someone "beat Boston"? Could someone??

That would seem to be a legit topic of discussion. Oh, and for the "just keep your mouth shut" crowd, I'd point out that Rosie Ruiz was only caught because various community members stepped up and pooled what they knew ... kind of like what the Let's Run message board does these days.


he beat it.[/quote]

Wrong choice of words. He got away w/it because nobody presented a case to the BAA officials to point out his cheating ways (change of clothes). At this point, his antics at Boston are simply part of the larger picture of his chicanery documented nicely on the SOKLR blog.
Kip Beat Boston 2010
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 6/5/2011 3:31PM - in reply to Clarkston KentReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Clarkston Kent wrote:


Wrong choice of words. He got away w/it because nobody presented a case to the BAA officials to point out his cheating ways (change of clothes). At this point, his antics at Boston are simply part of the larger picture of his chicanery documented nicely on the SOKLR blog.


Is it too late to present a case to BAA officials?
Clarkston Kent
Kip's House of Cards 6/7/2011 7:47AM - in reply to Kip Beat Boston 2010Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Kip Beat Boston 2010 wrote:

He got away w/it because nobody presented a case to the BAA officials to point out his cheating ways (change of clothes).


Is it too late to present a case to BAA officials?[/quote]

Rhetorical question - practical answer: why don't YOU find out?
J. Seinfeld
RE: Kip's House of Cards 6/22/2011 10:28AM - in reply toReply | Return to Index | Report Post
2013.
Fly Eye Mask
RE: Kip's House of Cards 6/27/2011 12:01PM - in reply to J. SeinfeldReply | Return to Index | Report Post
I have yet to read a summary of this thread that hasn't been entertaining...

http://www.writingaboutrunning.com/2011/01/outing-of-kip-litton.html
Clarkston Kent
RE: Kip's House of Cards 6/27/2011 1:08PM - in reply to Fly Eye MaskReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Two corrections to the link: Wayne Kursh didn't get Kip to take down his website - I did. And, although there was a link between the server for races listed toward the end, that had no bearing on learning the truth about the W WY Marathon. I'm the one who discovered there was no W WY Marathon. That was simple detective work: write to the local paper and ask about the alleged Marathon. The response - they didn't know anything about it. Bingo!

The 'hows' and 'whys' of the weird tale may never become clear. Coming clean is in his best interest but this is not a man capable of the truth...as has been proven time & again.

A story is on the way...patience, grasshoppers.
hrunner
RE: Kip's House of Cards 6/27/2011 3:33PM - in reply to Clarkston KentReply | Return to Index | Report Post
To be fair, most of us have been patient. It has been six months since this thread was started.
Clarkston Kent wrote:

Two corrections to the link: Wayne Kursh didn't get Kip to take down his website - I did. And, although there was a link between the server for races listed toward the end, that had no bearing on learning the truth about the W WY Marathon. I'm the one who discovered there was no W WY Marathon. That was simple detective work: write to the local paper and ask about the alleged Marathon. The response - they didn't know anything about it. Bingo!

The 'hows' and 'whys' of the weird tale may never become clear. Coming clean is in his best interest but this is not a man capable of the truth...as has been proven time & again.

A story is on the way...patience, grasshoppers.
Er...
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 7/9/2011 8:27AM - in reply toReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Could those of you who have been reading this thread responsibly please join me in reporting any and all posts that refer to KL's practice or personal life? Please delete these posts, moderators!
Err . . . .No
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 7/17/2011 7:26AM - in reply to Er...Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Er... wrote:

Could those of you who have been reading this thread responsibly please join me in reporting any and all posts that refer to KL's practice or personal life? Please delete these posts, moderators!


How does "get lost" sound ?
Er...
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 7/17/2011 8:00AM - in reply to Err . . . .NoReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Move along, sonny. Nobody's interested in what you have to say.
Err . . . .No
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 7/17/2011 10:32AM - in reply to Er...Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Hmm and you're different in this respect how exactly?
Kip me? Kip you!
RE: Another race 7/18/2011 11:57AM - in reply to Dip_Shitton aka KipLittonReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Ok, no more Kip talk here. Can I change the subject?

Just went to the dentist in Michigan last week, but it was the weirdest thing.

The dentist started out in a white lab coat, but finished the appointment in a blue one.

He only cleaned every fourth tooth, but charged me for cleaning all of them.

He said I had a problem with my "crownsizers". When I said he just made that up he insisted he finished near the top of his class in crownsizer treatment.

Sorry to get off topic.
DipShitton
RE: Another race 7/18/2011 4:05PM - in reply to Kip me? Kip you!Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Kip Litton is probably a nice guy and people do make mistakes. Mistakes shouldnt screw someone for life IMO. I'm sure Kip is extremely embarrassed about it, im hoping he wont do it again. some of the evidence is extremely convincing, like with the change of clothes, etc. What he did and the whole investigation throughout letsrun is fascinating and speaks for itself.

When there is excessive pressure and opportunity to cross the line/cheat, even GOOD people can and will cross that line.
I knew a teammate in college who I know lied about his road race PRs. He is a GOOD guy I just think if anything he is guilty of insecurity/low self confidence. there was probably a similar thing with kip going on - Kip is pretty talented considering he is almost 50yrs old. he is/was probably capable of legit sub3hrs marathon, but once he realized that breaking 3hrs in multiple marathons per season was going to be much more difficult, I think he didnt want to let down his friends and family so he was trapped. Because he was trapped he resorted to doing this and once he got started doing it, the snowball got out of control.
Err. . . . No
RE: Another race 7/18/2011 4:44PM - in reply to DipShittonReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Don't know him so can't comment on him personally but inventing completely fictional races goes a bit beyond a "mistake" even if you overlook the continual course cutting, change of outfits and so on. If people don't strongly express their disapproval, what sanction is there against anyone doing it. As for the whiney "Why does it matter? Get a life" people, I think they are just as bad. Also get a grip, nobody is advocating any kind of other punishment here.
DipShitton
RE: Another race 7/18/2011 6:23PM - in reply to Err. . . . NoReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Err. . . . No wrote:

Don't know him so can't comment on him personally but inventing completely fictional races goes a bit beyond a "mistake" even if you overlook the continual course cutting, change of outfits and so on.



seems maybe the snowball just got out of control and then when he realized he was going to have trouble with race directors (after some DQs), he figured he might give the making up races thing a try. it worked at west wyoming for some months until letsrun detectives did some more digging - and the bombshell finding being that these races like WestWyoming and SandySprings and some OrlandoFL 5k were all being hosted on the same website host/IP address of his dentist URL combined with that no one in those areas has heard of them
Jimboo
RE: Another race 7/20/2011 10:34AM - in reply to DipShittonReply | Return to Index | Report Post
It has taken me 3 days to read all 80 pages. I am lost for words after all of this..
puzzling
Does he have a 'big' secret? 7/20/2011 12:25PM - in reply to JimbooReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Sorta knew this guy in college- seemed to have hot girlies throwing themselves at him then. Ran in to him on Lake Fenton the other day & all I can say is HOLY SH*T!! Have you seen his wife??. She was rockin a blue bikini & D*MN she's got the body of a 25 yo Playboy centerfold!!!! How the hell is he able to land such a total babe?? I would cheat at anything everyday just to tap that thing once....
Trolly McTrollson
RE: Does he have a 'big' secret? 7/20/2011 1:11PM - in reply to puzzlingReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Stop posting on your own thread Kip. Your wife isn't that good looking.
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