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Study of K.Litton Running
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/14/2011 3:18PM - in reply to GKReply | Return to Index | Report Post
stickler
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/14/2011 3:18PM - in reply to Citizen RunnerReply | Return to Index | Report Post
My reading of the rules is that being handed a hat counts as outside assistance. Of course it happens all the time, but if the BAA wanted to DQ Litton, they could technically do it for the costume changes alone.
Sniff Out the Details
RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread 1/14/2011 3:21PM - in reply to Sniff Out the DetailsReply | Return to Index | Report Post
My apologies florida oldtimer and KipInAHaystack - I see now that you guys had already pointed this out.
KipInAHaystack
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/14/2011 3:23PM - in reply to Study of K.Litton RunningReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Very nice timeline.

Don't forget:
11/20/10 Sandy Springs Half Marathon - race doesn't exist; fabrication; PDF results file links same Ben Millefoglie of Davison, MI that designed WWM website, kiplittondds, etc.
12/04/10 Pine Hills 5k - fabrication.

9/12/10 Rochester Marathon, $300 prize
8/28/10 Crim 10-mile; big hometown race, skipped, claimed injury.

11/01/09 Manchester City Marathon; (don't know if this has been looked at for suspicions)
10/04/09 City of Trees Marathon; (don't know if it's been looked into)

08/22/09 Crim 10-mile; posted 56:55, later "removed" from results
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RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/14/2011 3:27PM - in reply to KipInAHaystackReply | Return to Index | Report Post
ok, about to go for a run. ill add those when i get back
edumacator
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/14/2011 3:32PM - in reply to GKReply | Return to Index | Report Post
GK wrote:

Please add the Gasparilla trio for 2009 to the FAIL list. There are pics of him walking the finish of the 5k that year, too.

I think we'll need to dig up more dirt on New Mexico. The altitude argument isn't very convincing. The elevation profile for Fort Collins is similar and I got a typical time.


I mentioned this in one of the earlier threads, but I happened to go for a run with a friend of a friend, and he happened to mention that he got 4th place at the New Mexico marathon that year. He mentioned, however, that it was really strange that he was only passed by two people during the race, but inexplicably ended up with some older guy getting third place. I jokingly asked him if he'd ever heard of Kip Litton, but he hadn't seen any of the threads or anything, so it didn't register. I looked it up later and sure enough, there's Kit.

From what he was saying, it was a pretty low key event and thus would've been easy to cheat at. I know it's not 100% indisputable proof, but come on, if you're leading the first few miles of the race, you're going to remember whether 2 or 3 people passed you. He remembered exactly which mile the two guys who legitimately beat him passed him at, but he (of course) never saw Kit.

Thing is, most people don't expect behavior like that, so they're not going to raise a fuss, especially if there's no prize money or anything on the line.
Switcheroo
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/14/2011 3:38PM - in reply to edumacatorReply | Return to Index | Report Post
edumacator wrote:

I mentioned this in one of the earlier threads, but I happened to go for a run with a friend of a friend, and he happened to mention that he got 4th place at the New Mexico marathon that year. He mentioned, however, that it was really strange that he was only passed by two people during the race, but inexplicably ended up with some older guy getting third place. I jokingly asked him if he'd ever heard of Kip Litton, but he hadn't seen any of the threads or anything, so it didn't register. I looked it up later and sure enough, there's Kit.

From what he was saying, it was a pretty low key event and thus would've been easy to cheat at. I know it's not 100% indisputable proof, but come on, if you're leading the first few miles of the race, you're going to remember whether 2 or 3 people passed you. He remembered exactly which mile the two guys who legitimately beat him passed him at, but he (of course) never saw Kit.

Thing is, most people don't expect behavior like that, so they're not going to raise a fuss, especially if there's no prize money or anything on the line.


Was chip timing used there? It would be easily possible for him to beat him without passing him by doing his usual routine of starting 3-4 min after the gun.
GK
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/14/2011 3:39PM - in reply to edumacatorReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Ouch, he got Kipped off the podium. That sounded funnier in my head.
Lone gunman
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/14/2011 3:52PM - in reply to GKReply | Return to Index | Report Post
It just keeps getting better and better...... now the blue jacket costume or look alike guy/possible accomplice with the same biking shorts. Wow.

Which marathons beside New Mexico need more due diligence?

It does look like the plan was hatched right after Bayshore. The bogus WMM website and worldrecordrun.com were established the day after Bayshore if I recall correctly.

I like the guy's theory of monetary gain, not so much from skimming donations which, but of making himself into the next Dean K type of runner, cult hero, hero of the aging athlete etc.

Great work on digging up the Maine half info!
MC
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/14/2011 3:55PM - in reply to SwitcherooReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Switcheroo wrote:

Was chip timing used there? It would be easily possible for him to beat him without passing him by doing his usual routine of starting 3-4 min after the gun.


I ran this in 2009. I still have the link to the results and photos (thanks, gmail archives). It looks like he didn't start that far back for this one:

http://www.ccrtiming.com/races/results/2009/09NMMarathon.htm

http://orders.racephotonetwork.com/QPPlus/SearchBibNumber.aspx?EventID=817111&AccountNumber=468&EventName=New%20Mexico%20Marathon

(it's expired and I doubt there's a way to find the photos anymore, but this is the original link just in case some of you computer aficionados might know of a way to see them)

There was chip timing and I don't remember 100% for sure but I think the mats were only at the start/finish.
edumacator
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/14/2011 4:14PM - in reply to SwitcherooReply | Return to Index | Report Post
I admit this completely slipped my mind, but no it looks like Kit beat him by 8 minutes on gun time, so would have flown by the guy at some point.
<|:-0
RE: Look at his hand carry. 1/14/2011 4:17PM - in reply to florida oldtimerReply | Return to Index | Report Post
florida oldtimer wrote:

Hey those shorts are the same ones of the other guy from Boston Marathon wearing the blue jackets. His glasses are the same ones as the guy covered up Bandana over his face) from the PF Chang race.


<|:-0
Switcheroo
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/14/2011 4:19PM - in reply to MCReply | Return to Index | Report Post
So Kip started 45s after the gun, beat the 4th place guy by 9min, yet he never saw hip pass him. That's all the confirmation I need.

edumacator wrote:

I mentioned this in one of the earlier threads, but I happened to go for a run with a friend of a friend, and he happened to mention that he got 4th place at the New Mexico marathon that year. He mentioned, however, that it was really strange that he was only passed by two people during the race, but inexplicably ended up with some older guy getting third place. I jokingly asked him if he'd ever heard of Kip Litton, but he hadn't seen any of the threads or anything, so it didn't register. I looked it up later and sure enough, there's Kit.

From what he was saying, it was a pretty low key event and thus would've been easy to cheat at. I know it's not 100% indisputable proof, but come on, if you're leading the first few miles of the race, you're going to remember whether 2 or 3 people passed you. He remembered exactly which mile the two guys who legitimately beat him passed him at, but he (of course) never saw Kit.


MC wrote:
I ran this in 2009. I still have the link to the results and photos (thanks, gmail archives). It looks like he didn't start that far back for this one:

http://www.ccrtiming.com/races/results/2009/09NMMarathon.htm

There was chip timing and I don't remember 100% for sure but I think the mats were only at the start/finish.
GK
RE: Look at his hand carry. 1/14/2011 4:28PM - in reply to ouch1000Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
For what it's worth finishcam.com still has Kip's marathon finish. He's already been Disqualified from that race, but still worth sharing the video.

http://finishcam.com/MT/Missoula-Marathon-2010/WatchVideo.aspx?Id=nH1vliD0GV38oeKcmeKksNyyF1oehG9V
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RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/14/2011 4:38PM - in reply to SwitcherooReply | Return to Index | Report Post
Manchester NH Marathon 11/01/09 http://www2.brightroom.com/browser.aspx?eid=47688&bib=195 any of these look suspicious? why is he running with a Kenyan woman in one of them?
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RE: Look at his hand carry. 1/14/2011 4:43PM - in reply to GKReply | Return to Index | Report Post
GK wrote:

For what it's worth finishcam.com still has Kip's marathon finish. He's already been Disqualified from that race, but still worth sharing the video.

http://finishcam.com/MT/Missoula-Marathon-2010/WatchVideo.aspx?Id=nH1vliD0GV38oeKcmeKksNyyF1oehG9V
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcNBTX_xKv0 there you go!
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RE: Look at his hand carry. 1/14/2011 4:45PM - in reply to Study of K.Litton RunningReply | Return to Index | Report Post
video description (as i understand it): Kip Litton DQ Finish at Missoula Marathon. he crossed the line in 2:49 but was later disqualified by the race staff. Read more at http://kiplitton.blogspot.com Mike Telling won Masters. initially it was believed Kip Litton (black outfit) finished ahead Mike Telling because of the difference between gun and net/chip times. then the Race director at Missoula DQ'ed Kip and Mike Telling won Masters.
florida oldtimer
RE: Look at his hand carry. 1/14/2011 5:02PM - in reply to Study of K.Litton RunningReply | Return to Index | Report Post
This cat can't run. That's the first we've actually seen him run. I'm the same age and have run the same times and I can tell you from watching that video that he can't run those times on his own.

I'm still interested in that guy from Boston in the light blue raincoat wearing the same shorts as the Maine photo. If anyone runs into more pictures of the guy please post them.
body double
RE: Matching shorts - Maine & Boston random guy 1/14/2011 5:09PM - in reply to Study of K.Litton RunningReply | Return to Index | Report Post
If one were inclined to bend the rules (cheat) perhaps they could cross the start with their chip and forward it to an accomplice. Or never be 'the starter'. ?

It all sounds like too much work for me. Perhaps I've not been paying attention to the respective race websites but, I rarely know ahead of time where the course timing mats will lie. Is that info published ahead of the race? Or would you have to do reconnoissance the day before or morning of. Some races have peculiar distances which I assumed are to limit this behavior. Some folks are too crafty apparently.

Again, it is all so simple for 'the alleged suspect'

Notify the race director that you are there ahead of time. Allow them to shadow you if they choose. Avoid the 'Where's Kip?'

Baffling
the tale of the three bandanas
RE: Look at his hand carry. 1/14/2011 5:10PM - in reply to <|:-0Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
At PF Chang Arizona, list of coincidences found in an unidentified masked runner:
- blue bandana like the one Kip had in Boston
- sunglasses like the ones Kip had in Maine
- same build as Kip
- same way as Kip to carry his arms and fingers when he runs

It gets stranger. The masked guy at PF Chang is seen on the course with a blue bandana THEN a black bandana, while Kip crosses the finish line with a red bandana.
How weird is that?

florida oldtimer wrote:

His glasses are the same ones as the guy covered up Bandana over his face) from the PF Chang race.


return to index wrote:

I added two pictures of blue bandanna guy in Kip's picture folder for Rock n Roll Arizona (bib 1212):
http://tinyurl.com/4fjp53p
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